Tuesday, January 13, 2009

On Trial: Zion vs. Zionism


Daniel 7: 9-10
"And the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment white as snow, And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne a fiery flame, Its wheels a burning fire; A fiery stream issued And came forth from before Him. A thousand thousands ministered to Him; Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.

The court was seated, And the books were opened
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The passage above comes from the middle of Daniel's most famous end-times vision; of four beasts rising up from the sea, (combined to match precisely with the beast from the sea in Revelation 13) and a "Little horn", or pompous, and boastful leader of an empire in the days leading up to judgment. It reinforces the reality that these final days are like an actual trial, for each and every soul on the planet. As I said in my last post, a lot of religious leaders are behaving in terribly unrighteous and unmerciful ways, while thinking of themselves as prosecution attorneys for the heavenly court, and not co-defendants.

Thousands of years ago, lots of warnings were planted for believers living in the last days. These warnings have rested protected and mostly dormant in Bibles around the world. Scriptures warn of false teachings, covetous temptations, the trappings of worldliness, and the spread of false gospels. Mainstream churches sometimes ignore these passages, sometimes use them to accuse other congregations nearby or abroad, and very rarely compare them to their own behavior. Because of that, the benefits and wisdom of these warnings isn't really clear. and a great majority of so-called Christians will be caught unawares and unprepared in the time of his return.

After a few intense years of studying the scriptures, and coming from a strictly evangelical childhood, I have come to believe that very few Christians even know the full gospel. What is being passed as the gospel for saving souls is not complete. It is a mass-produced, misinterpreted, cliffs-notes version of the real thing. This is a gospel that pays lip service, but ignores the responsibility of those who are called of God. It produces millions of spiritual babes, who are then left in a perpetual state of spiritual infancy through a lack of mature nourishment, or proper direction.

There are two sections of "The gospel" according to the New Testament: The Milk and the Meat.
Paul constantly taught about that difference, using that same analogy. Jesus also talked about it on occasion, but in parables and riddle sentences like; "If I tell you of earthly things and you do not believe me, how can you believe me when I tell you of the things of heaven?"

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The milk of the Gospel is this:

Jesus Christ is the son of God, who came into the earth to teach us how to live righteously, and who died on the cross as a payment for our sins. It is by him that all who love him (and obey him) will be saved from eternal death through faith in Him, and by the grace of God. There are none who haven't sinned, and all who are saved by the blood of Christ will have eternal life.

The meat of the Gospel is this:

God plans on establishing his kingdom on earth. This establishment happens first in the hearts of people, then spills out into the rest of the earth. At an appointed time, there will be a massive awakening of the Holy Spirit in the living body of Christ. All that is wrong, sour, and bad about the earth will be removed; bound up for a millennium as the earth is restored to a state very close to what Eden might have been like. This advance of the army of God will be swift and definitive. All who follow Christ and serve him will have a place in that kingdom, for a thousand years of peace (after a very dark, relatively short time of tribulation). Most importantly: all must be ready to prepare the way for Christ to return. Those that have lived in readiness, and died before the return will be resurrected in this "Last day"; those who are alive when the time comes for it to be established will be a living army of God, the "feet on the ground" who will be led step by step, sealed and set aside, to subdue God's enemies by nothing less than the Power of his Holy Spirit.

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It is very important to remember that Jesus himself preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. That was the subject of most of his parables, and in Luke the first thing Jesus preaches after his baptism is: "Repent (change your hearts and lives) for the Kingdom of God is near!"

The way the evangelical movement glosses over this meat is very clever. The term "Kingdom of God" has been replaced with "Kingdom of Heaven". The power of God's promises are all stored away in an ethereal heavenly realm, to be enjoyed after death (or after a pre-tribulation "rapture"). Under these circumstances, Christians can see themselves as mighty warriors of the faith, even if they don't know how to put on their armor properly, or even how to swing their swords in the present world. If our eternal destiny is simply hinged on the passive belief that Christ died for our sins, there's not a whole lot left for us to do. Many Christians are content in simply watching the world come apart around them, because they are waiting for their rescue. They see themselves as damsels in distress, and Christ in the clouds as their White knight. It is a completely helpless, passive, and lazy approach to the gospel. According to this doctrine, the world is to be merely endured, and not overcome. But God does not promise to raise up damsels in the last day: he promises warriors.

In the days of Christ and the early church, spirits of the adversary were already at work trying to corrupt and compromise the Gospel. The entire book of 2 Peter is a reminder of our responsibility, potential, and destiny in Christ (1/3rd of it is also a warning against false teachings). He wrote it because he knew he was close to death, and he knew that the enemy would try to disconnect God's people from the power of faith in His promises. Within a few hundred years of the death of Christ, this effort succeeded. The body of Christ, and the potency of the gospel of the Kingdom of God were buried and bound by the religion of Christianity. Cells within that body were born, lived fruitful lives, and have died to be reserved for the last day, but the body as a whole has been dead for two millennial days. Darkness has crept in to take back the dominion of light that was established by Jesus Christ. But this light is being restored even now. Eyes and ears are being opened.

We, who have been born just before the first early morning rays of the third millennium after the crucifixion of Jesus, are blessed because of the promise of resurrection. Cells of this body who are alive now will venture forth into all the world, swiftly, and sure of foot, carrying the message of God's kingdom to all the corners of the earth. God has been preparing his messengers for years, working with each of us at a pace that we can bear, faithfully attending to all of our hearts with His personal attention.

Time and time again the prophets speak of the "army of God", the "wise", the "remnant", but the most common scriptural reference to this group of people is "Zion". The Zion of the last days is a group of believers who overcome the trappings of Babylon, the seduction of Satan, and the corruption of their own flesh. It is Zion that will prepare the way for the coming of the Lord. It is Zion that will crawl into the windows of Babylon like thieves in the night. It is Zion that will conquer the full Promised Land of earth, as the army of Joshua did in Israel.

What's more, this true army of Zion will not use Scud missiles, or tank shells filled with white phosphorous (which can burn through flesh like it was hot butter, right to the bone in seconds) in it's process of overcoming. The weapon that Zion will use in this conquest is the truth of the promise of God's kingdom. And the enemies of this Zion will be burned by the Glory of the coming of the Lord. That distinction is very crucial. Zionism is another doctrine of racial supremacy (just like Nazism). Nothing more, nothing less. Innocent people are suffering under the creed of Zionism because it is being guided by a spirit of evil.

If Barack Obama safetly takes office on Tuesday, and George Bush finally leaves the White House, I plan on writing a book about the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, because it's a message that needs to be remembered. Over the last four years I have been engaged in a race against time to understand the nature of the last days, and the message of the scriptures. The full Gospel, and the promise of the Kingdom of God is that message.

I believe that anything could happen in the next four days, because it only took 3 days for the son of God to be arrested, tried, executed and resurrected. Plus, God's judgment will strike swiftly and suddenly, catching the world off-guard. But during these four years I have learned that the identity of the final Antichrist is not as important as the destiny and duty of the body of Christ. There have been antichrists since the first century AD, and there will continue to be antichrists until God decides to declare his great and terrible Day. Because of this, all who are a part of the body of Christ must always take up the cross of resisting the power that is behind these antichrists. The purpose of all cells of the body of Christ is to demonstrate to those around them what it means to live as though God were enthroned here on earth, ruling over us all, setting rules that we must follow as subjects of his kingdom. Thankfully, the rules are just, kind, and common sense.

We must believe that God is close in order to perceive that he truly is. We must live as though we were already in the kingdom of God, because as long as we have the light of Christ within us, we are. The rules and guidelines of this kingdom are saturating the scripture. It is our responsibility to take them seriously, and to act obediently. When we choose to do what is right, honest, merciful, loving and peaceful, we are advancing the light of Christ. We must be bold on behalf of truth, and not allow the corruption of fear, pride, or hatefulness to overcome us. We can only survive this battle if we are equally aware of the danger around us, and the power behind us. Our responsibility is to prepare ourselves spiritually for the time that the last trumpet sounds, and to demonstrate our readiness by living as strangers in this world, obeying the rules of the Kingdom of God even when no one else does. If anything disconnects us from love, we must resist it. And we must remind our children, our parents, our siblings and neighbors about the truly good news of the Kingdom of God.

114 comments:

faithful forever said...

Joel 3:17 (KJV)
So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
Amen.

How I long for no strangers passing through her any more...to worship the Lord our Mighty Creator with no distractions and demands pulling us away; no evil to corrupt and deceive.

I too believe it will be swift and our Lord never ceases to amaze me with the one-voice harmony that is growing ever stronger. And this is our amazing Lord we worship and serve. The beauty of truth is shining in this amazing and timely writing.

May He continue to bless you our young brother and all who gather here in His name.

A mountain is a mighty and majestic creation. It is of no small coincidence that ~they~ have stolen our name. They are waiting to see a temple restored at the Temple Mount but the Lord is gathering the Mountain of Zion to make His enemy unto His footstool before His glorious return.

Anything can happen...indeed.

Sandra said...

If we would fully follow the words of our Savior and Lord there would be no turmoil in the world. I might be naïve because I believe we need to follow the full teachings of Jesus. It is so lacking in the world and that is why there are wars and rumors of war. No one wants to walk a mile in another's shoes. We all come from different backgrounds and we need to be sensitive to the fact that we are all on this journey to God's Kingdom at different levels.

Luke 6:27 - Luke 6:36

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

I am a stranger in this world and would have it no other way.

faithful forever said...

I am a stranger in this world also and would have it no other way. We are blessed to be strangers in this world. The Lord has taken us out of it while we are still in it. We are not of it together. We are in this together and I believe everyone who dwells here has been brought here for a reason. I have seen quite a few come and go; all for various reasons. We are a small group but mighty in the Lord.

Soon, our beautiful sister Sandra, soon we may have a world that is more fitting; the embers are glowing and it is being stoked. I feel it deep in my heart and down to my bones. Our God is going to do mighty things for all the world to see. Come Lord Jesus, come.

So true Sandra, we have to be patient and understanding with each other, and as we have said before, even the disciples didn't always agree and they didn't always understand things at the same time. They had their obstacles to overcome within themselves and as a group just as we do, but all things are possible with love. I agree it is such a simple message, 'Do unto others as you would have them to unto you,' but this is not the way of the world for it belongs temporarily to satan who is on a rampage right now spewing hatred.

Young Brother, I love everything about this whole post. The hope and inspiration from this truth you have written is a blessing of great measure, and I give thanks to God for you. Keep marching. This especially touched a chord deep within: 'God has been preparing his messengers for years, working with each of us at a pace that we can bear, faithfully attending to all of our hearts with His personal attention.' I am so humbled that He chose a wretch like me, but I am getting closer to accepting that maybe He really has found me worthy in some small way, like a little toe, which is more than I deserve but I gladly and willingly accept it as a great gift.

My love and prayers to all. With a special one for Thomas to be drawn back to this group of strangers who love him. Love can conquer anything.

faithful forever said...

Israel has accepted a 10-day truce brokered by Egypt with promised security from the US for no weapons smuggling. The US spent $23 million training Egypt how to stop the smuggling. Israel's presence will remain in Gaza and Hamas is demanding their departure of course. Even this is happening for a reason but at least for now it has stopped.

California is announcing that effective February 1st it is no longer paying tax refunds, welfare checks or disability checks. This would be another travesty if allowed to happen.

It is being announced that Obama has selected an Islamic prayer speaker for the inauguration ceremony that has Hamas ties brought to us by the courtesy of the FauxNews ticker tape. More fuel for the fire. There will be more security personnel in DC than are stationed in Afghanistan.

The miracle on the Hudson that we are being barraged with probably has more to it than meets the eye as they 'cannot' retrieve the engines from the river that was downed by birds. Some are saying it was an attack against 23 Bank of America employees that were on board. Who knows but what a major distraction they are using it for, if nothing else.

Does anyone understand why Obama is so preoccupied with Lincoln other than they are both from Illinois? I believe there is more to this also but I also think nothing is as it seems and the enemy is seeking to devour many and everything is furthering their agenda splendidly at the current time. Their plans do not come to fruitition. I rejoice for that.

Annon, wanted to mention the unusual unexplained lights in relation to a wind turbine being damaged recently in Eurpoe somewhere and ~they~ were saying that it only could have been caused by a UFO and wondered if you had seen this. Both part of the Blue Beam Project, perhaps. Would love to hear your thoughts - as always.

Ali, thanks for the wonderful pictures of Malaysia and all the blessings you bring. I do not doubt that this is about resources and domination, but death, destruction and oppression is their ultimate driving force - anything else is an added bonus and $4B worth of natural gas is quite a bonus.

Keep shining.
Love to all. Our redemption draweth near. Rejoice and give thanks.

Ali said...

YB, I am, also, amazed how the following verses coincide with the current crisis:

" And (remember) when We made a covenant with the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none save God (only), and be good to parents and to kindred and to orphans and the needy, and speak kindly to mankind; and establish worship and pay the poor-due. Then, after that, ye slid back, save a few of you, being averse. And when We made with you a covenant (saying): Shed not the blood of your people nor turn (a party of) your people out of your dwellings. Then ye ratified (Our covenant) and ye were witnesses (thereto).Yet ye it is who slay each other and drive out a party of your people from their homes, supporting one another against them by sin and transgression? - and if they came to you as captives ye would ransom them, whereas their expulsion was itself unlawful for you - Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof? And what is the reward of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom. For Allah is not unaware of what ye do."

-Holy Quran (2:83-5)

FF,

The Qaza's Gas reservoir story, I guess, might be the key point to further push Russians and Europe to become involved in this equation. Thank you.

Keep the faith,
Ali,

faithful forever said...

Good point, Ali, and I hadn't connected that even with the current gas crisis with Russia. See how much we need each other...truly I do. Thank you for sharing those beautiful verses.

A decision is expected in the next few in regards to a 'national' bank to fix the economy by the Obama administration (really fast work):

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_considering_governmentrun_band_bank_for_0117.html

Buckle up Dorothy (I love that!),and I love you Ali.

Love and prayers to all.

The coming days ahead are going to need both more than ever. Imagine the miracles we may be about to witness.

Anonymous said...

YB, grat post as usual!

FF, I am not sure how to explain those lights. All I feel is that something tense is also going on beyond our world. No doubt there is battle going on between Satan's angels and God's angels for the souls of human beings. Evil is rampant in the world and indeed the dark forces are at work - busier than ever. Those lights could also be the bibilical "signs in the sky" or some sort of blue beam stuff, yet it is strange.
And I came across this video today and would love to hear your thoughts. This stuff is beyond what my limited brain can comprhend.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2248531/7090573

Ali said...

FF,

More news here. JPost just announced that they have found another gas reservoir:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1232265973374&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

We love you too my sister,
Keep the faith,
Ali,

faithful forever said...

Annon,

Not long ago I may have been likely to blow off something like angel orbs as trick photography...but not now. I believe all things are possible with our Lord and therefore I can now believe they are real. I pray for God to send an angel to protect loved ones every time they leave the house, and maybe now I know what they look like with thanks to our incredible Annon; thank you for all you do. Demons are real and angels are as well. I can tell you that I received those Holy Ghost bumps watching it and a couple tears fell. So, I am inclined to believe and am fascinated that they could be captured on film. I think we should be prepared for anything.

I relate entirely with your thought in regards to the unusual lights being a sign from Heaven or a lying sign and wonder; I haven't been able to distinguish many times either. The fact that the sign exists, is a sign.

I find it very interesting that you are feeling 'it' also; this quickening of sorts. I know we have said this many times before, and I don't think it is because of the inauguration, but it cannot be all of our imaginations. We all are saying the same thing. I pray for and accept His will in this and all things. May He continue to bless you Annon - keep shining that light. Love and holy kisses.

Ali,

What a great find my brother. Maybe this is why the cease fire? Stocks skyrocketed and maybe this will keep them content for a little extra while longer the greedy little warmongers. I think the death toll is over 1,100 with no current reports on the injured that I have heard, and 14 Israelis killed - with at least four of them being from friendly fire. If the Palestinians were smuggling weapons why did they not use them. They either are really defenseless or they want it to appear that way for now. I don't know if it will last, but I have to say how glad I am that it is stopped for right now. I full realize that it may be a case of peace, and then sudden destruction, but our God knows and I have to put it all in His hands.

What a world indeed.
But we have each other and I give thanks and praise for this is a tremendous blessing; a great gift from our God. Every one of you a tremendous gift; a light all of your own and you make me yearn for Heaven on earth everyday for more of this fellowship in love and praise for our God.

Love and His peace to all.

faithful forever said...

By the way, young brother, that picture is a beautiful finishing touch to a beautiful post. If I am interpreting it correctly, it is paradise on one side with hell on the other with the world in between?

faithful forever said...

Interesting discussion by Norman Finkelstein. I have seen him before on DemocracyNow! and enjoyed his shares on there as well:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21774.htm

Ali, Maybe I should apologize for too many posts, also! I so relate to your sense of urgency as there is so much being revealed.

faithful forever said...

Found this comment interesting in regard to Finkelstein's discussion:

This sounds like a typical Jew Tactic to insite violence and have a excuse to carpet bomb the arabs.

ITS CALLED THE LAW!!!! JUSTICE YOU stupid warmonger and lover of shedding blood.

Collective punishment against the whole population with your stupid Vaudeville games.

The gigs up!

By your words you are justified by your words you are comdemned!!!!!

This guy is living proof how utterly small minded, corrupt and vile the Zonist Jews and their Talmud loving philosophy is.

Arrest all the zionist.
Execute thousands of Zionist ring leaders.

young brother said...

FF, thank you for your appreciation, I am blessed to be a blessing to you. I'm pretty sure that the picture is depicting what you described, and agree that it's a great addition to this message...I added it a few hours after finishing the post.

Sandra, It's not naive for you to think that way, it's revolutionary. The simplest truths cannot be seen by eyes that are blinded. Gandhi lived the way you describe, and he changed the world. Imagine what an international group of people simultaneously acting in this sort of simple obedience, hope, and faith would do to the world!

Ali, thank you for sharing that passage from the Quran, it is amazing how it fits. I also had the chance to see your pictures from Malaysia. Did you take all of those? You're quite a talented photographer. I enjoy taking pictures myself...you've got a really good eye.

Annon, I tried to access that video you shared, but even though the page loads, the player doesn't. Is there another link that shows what these lights in the sky are?

young brother said...

Forever Faithful, I think that sharing other people's comments (like that one) can be confusing. If someone were to skim through the comments here, it could be very easy for them to peg you as a whacko because of the vile nature of those words. Please be careful.

faithful forever said...

young brother,

Point taken. I only meant to show both sides, but I will limit comments to my own for I am probably confusing enough!

Anonymous said...

YB, the video is about the orbs and I am not sure how you can get to watch the it. May be you need to search "Supernatural Glory Angel Orbs Pictures!" on "yahoo videos" if that helps. The lights are actually pics and am sure you can see them in the link I posted in the previous thread.

Indeed, there are certain things that are difficult for us to understand and most people, including myself, tend to doubt or discount some of the things we came across or the experience of people that we read or hear.

I thought I share these 2 links with you brothers and sisters. One was morethan 2 decades old which I recall hearing about the story many years ago, and the other seems to be recent. And the subjects of the 2 stories are from different parts of the world but there is similarity in their accounts.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9826

http://spiritlessons.com/dreams_and_visions/Dilivered_from_the_powers_of_Darkness_by_Emmanuel_Eni.htm

Ali said...

YB,

Thank you for the compliments. Yes, I have taken them with my cheap full automatic digital camera. I hope to see some of your photos too.

FF,

The interview that you posted here was very enlightening and informative. Keep shining my sister you are such a blessing to our community. Here is also another analysis by Iranian English TV channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS8Wl2C3_aw

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Anonymous said...

Who to blame? This act can backfire a million fold. Evil breeds evil.
I pray that this Inaugration in DC goes well and that nothing like this biological threat will occur.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2146286.ece

http://mcnorman.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/the-plague-al-qaeda/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1121842/Al-Qaeda-hit-Black-Death-fear-medieval-plague-kills-40-terrorists-training-camp.html

Anonymous said...

It sounds there was something fishy about the plane that crashed into the Hudson River.

"Two days before US Airways Flight 1549 crashed into the Hudson River, passengers on the same route and same aircraft say they heard a series of loud bangs and the flight crew told them they could have to make an emergency landing, CNN has learned."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html

Stay blessed and keep looking up.


Annon

Dan +†+ said...

faithful forever (FF),

I asked you something in YB's blog that he erased so I will ask again.

FF-I am blessed watching the Lord speak through you (YB) for it is only His truth that resonates so deep.

Great, so are you willing to admit that YB is following Satan if indeed we find out Bush is not the Antichrist?

Can your ego handle that you were actually being deceived by the Devil and that God had nothing to do with YB's prophecy?

You both have 1 day left and then you will have to face truth. Fruit of the spirit is what we are to test and I am merely doing what the Bible tells us to do. You shouldn't be angry for that YB unless your pride is getting in the way.

Matthew 7:6-15 is clear that we can judge the message and fruit of false apostles. Obedience to such commandments obviously requires one to make a judgment as to whether certain unbelievers should be regarded as "dogs" or "swine," to whom it would be counterproductive to try to speak of spiritual matters; or whether certain professing Christian leaders are actually false prophets who should be repudiated.

However, Jesus is saying in Matthew 7:1 that we should be careful in nitpicking and judging people’s motives or eternal destiny. Ultimately only God is the judge of those things. We can, after all, be too hard on people in minor matters.

We can judge qualifications, however we cannot judge qualities. Qualities are internal motivations known only by God Himself.

So I am testing your fruit YB. If Bush is indeed the Antichrist I will be the first to scream it from the roof that you were right all along and I doubted you. I will throw you an "I'm Sorry" party for you in Heaven if not sooner.

But, if I am right and Bush is not the Antichrist then you owe an apology. Not to me or anyone or even yourself but to God for following a false god. You owe God your deepest repentance and humbling for being led away from Him. That is all I ask of you. Please bury that pride and admit to God that you were wrong for doing what you did and following the wrong people. Which is more important your pride or Salvation? I am not judging your motives but your qualifications to be a true Christian prophet. Which in one day will show that you are merely a false prophet.

T- 1 day will tell us the truth if you are a Christian or a follower of Satan. Can you stomach that indeed Mark 13:22 was speaking about you? Don't listen to this false prophet all, otherwise you will perish with this prideful charlatan.

YB you owe it to everyone here and over at your blog to post that you were indeed mislead by Satan and you need to start over and follow the True God not your made up one. I lovingly rebuke you. REPENT!!!

(Luke 6:26, 2 Peter 2:1, 1 John 4:1, Revelation 20:10)

Blessing.

Balor1 said...

Towards the end of Nero's tumultuous reign (AD 65 - 68) things continued to spiral out of control. His excesses in Greece, performing as a singer and as an athlete in the Olympic games, were an embarrassment to Roman sensibilities, but Nero persisted, seemingly oblivious. He was not, however, completely detached from the government of the state, but daily governance was left to his entourage leaving his freedman Helius in charge at Rome. A major revolt in Judaea (AD 66) required imperial intervention in the form of Cestius Gallus, and Nero wisely left the matter (which would last in a semi continuous state well into the reign of Vespasian) to his Legate. But conspiracies along with paranoia ruled the day. The popular general Corbula (of Parthian and Armenian fame) was summoned to Greece and ordered to commit suicide for his alleged involvement in a conspiratorial plot. By AD 67, sentiment in Rome and among the provinces, especially the legions and their now often targeted commanders, was getting dangerously anti-Nero and Helius traveled to Greece to bring Nero home.

Rather than attempt to ease Roman concerns, Nero arrived in Rome at the head of a strange triumphal procession. Rather than enter in a military triumph, which was certainly undeserved, Nero entered in the manner of a champion athlete, fresh from his Olympic successes. His behavior openly mocked Roman tradition and culture, especially amongst the aristocracy. Nero marched into the city ahead of a procession of artists and athletes, including trophies won at the games, rather than traditional compliments of soldiers and military spoils, and ended his procession at the temple of Apollo (the patron of art) rather than that of Jupiter (the traditional last stop in a Roman triumph). The masses witnessing this oddity in full uncensored view probably thought that Nero had gone completely mad, and even the legions, which since the time of Augustus had grown into loyal peace keeping machines, were beginning to waver under Nero's odd leadership.

In Gaul, the governor Julius Vindex began openly soliciting a revolt from amongst his fellow governors, but reaction was mild at best. Hindering his cause was the fact that as governor of Lugdunensis he maintained no authority over any imperial troops. However, he began recruiting for his rebellion and by March of AD 68, Vindex made it official. A month later, the governor of Hispania Tarraconensis, P. Sulpicius Galba joined the revolt, which soon also gained the support of the governor of Lusitania, M. Salvius Otho (ironically Nero's old friend who gave his wife Poppaea to the emperor). Not long after, L. Clodius Macer, the governor of Africa joined the revolt as well. Despite his eccentricities, and the obvious growing danger Nero reacted swiftly to this new challenge, having previously raised a new legion (Legio I Italica) and ordering the formation of another from naval personnel at Misenum (Legio I Adiutrix). Additionally, troops were called in from Britain, Illyria and Germania, where Nero's men did remain loyal.

Before Nero could bring his new forces to bear against this growing rebellion, one of his governors, L. Verginius Rufus of Germania Superior, took matters into his own hands. He marched his regular legions from the Rhine region against Vindex and his fresh Gallic recruits, and crushed him at Vesontio. Vindex survived the battle but committed suicide in disgrace. In one quick thrust, Nero's problems may have faded away, but this was not to be the case. The army had lost confidence in their Emperor and hailed Rufus as imperator in the field, but Rufus refused the honor, likely fearing a large and imminent civil war on the horizon. In northern Italy too, Petronius Turpilianus, the commander of Nero's troops there, was rumored to be wavering between support for Nero and the revolt. With this news Nero was justifiably panicked and decided to escape Rome to Egypt. This decision not only effectively removed Nero as head of the Roman state but caused the Praetorians to lose faith and loyalty as well. Their prefect, Nymphidius Sabinus, persuaded the Praetorians to declare loyalty to Galba in Hispania, and the writing was on the wall for Nero.

As Nero fled the city, taking refuge in a freedman's villa outside Rome, the Senate declared him a public enemy. Rather than risk being humiliated and flogged to death at the hands of the Senate, Nero decided the cause was lost. On June 9, AD 68, at the age of 32 Nero drove a dagger into his throat, aided by Epaphroditus, his private secretary. With the death of Nero, the Julio-Claudian dynasty came to an end after over a century of supreme power (including Caesar). The line quite simply no longer existed as family members had been routinely purged with each new reign. And thus, what began with the great conqueror Julius Caesar, was continued by the ultimate politician in Augustus, slowly came to an end with the eccentric Nero. According to Suetonius, Nero's parting words, as the empire fell into a state of civil war that would eventually become known as the Year of the Four Emperors, were "What a great artist dies in me" (qualis artifex pereo).

http://www.unrv.com/early-empire/fall-julio-claudians.php

faithful forever said...

Greetings all,

Watching MSM tonight is incredible for many reasons, but the main one to me is how much the Lord's name is being used. Many people say they believe Obama is 'called by God and He knows it.' Words like change, transformation, real hope, bring a strong sense of good feelings with a sense of 'peace' looming just over the horizon abounds tonight. "We are the change we want to see happen" and the call for nationalism with service to it from all citizens chills me to the bone. For certain there is a wind of change in the air, but what that change is exactly, remains to be revealed.

The cost of the inauguration is at least $150M and they expect at least 4 million people to be at the ceremony. That's a lot of money and a lot of people - for what?

Israel is expected to have a complete withdrawal from Gaza by the time of the inauguration. The timing has to be very significant in some way unknown to us other than everything that is happening is planned and coldly calculated; premeditated.

Those who support Israel are deeply angered that the IDF is pulling out. They wanted to see the 'job finished now.' There is even talk of Olmert's assassination because of it and they say he deserves it for letting the Israeli people down again. And they call themselves Christians. I thought this article has some very good points:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10045

Someone pointed out to me that Obama's fascination with Lincoln could be to give the African American population a sense of great change and long awaited equality because Lincoln is the one that is credited with emancipation (even though this is most likely completely inaccurate).

Annon, you know what else is odd about the plane downed by birds in not one, but both engines? The pilot has not spoken (unless he has by now; I haven't seen much news today), but his wife made a statement. Where's Chesley...inquiring minds need to know! The Hudson is such a famous and historic river there must be hidden agenda involved there also somehow. Nothing is coincidence and it is not paranoia if ~they~ are really after you! Your steadfastness Annon brings me great joy and thanks for all you do; it is appreciated. Keep shining that light on how busy the enemy is in seeking to devour and the many ways this scenario may play out - at least we know their plans don't come to fruition. Love, prayers, holy kisses and blessings.

My brother Ali, your gentle spirit is a tribute to our God. Thank you for the kind words and the priceless blessings you bring. A gift from above that I give many thanks for.

As I do all who gather here. May He continue to guide our every foot step, individually and collectively.

Love and His peace to all.

faithful forever said...

Young Brother,

Did you see this picture regarding the strange lights Annon posted previously; maybe it is the one in question. (Great find (again) Annon):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1117264/Beam-Scientists-left-baffled-mysterious-columns-coloured-light-appear-night-skies.html

Dan, Nobody has picked a date for this to play out but you. It doesn't have to be tomorrow for it to be true; if it happens at a later date, it will be just as prophetic. It could happen tomorrow or it could happen in 6 months from now. Nobody has claimed to know how this is going to play out, although it is hard not to speculate, but it will play out. Your taunting, gloating nature is not very Christlike, Dan. You always make me think of Ghandi (did I spell it correctly Balor?), about loving our Christ but not the 'Christians.' May you find peace.

Anonymous said...

FF

Thank you for your kind words.
Indeed change is in the air for better or worse though I tend to think for the later - not because I love to see the sky fall - but I feel, the mess our world in needs devine intervention and God in His rightousness would not allow this mess to keep going on. So much injustice, greed and corruption in this sick world, but God is not deaf or blind and in His own time, He will excute His judgement and bring this evil to an end. Has there been such a time as this when evil is as natural as breathing in our world? But, the God Who brought as thus far will take us by hand to His safety and security. The Rock is Big enough to hide us and we shall be saved under His wings.

The world is occupied with the things of the world and we are occupied with His WORD.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

http://rense.com/general84/stam.htm

Anonymous said...

YB
I Just run into this article and have found similarities to that of your post on the issue. Just wondering what your thoughts may be. Would appreciate your feed back.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

http://members.tripod.com/rmillevo/serpent_bar.htm

Anonymous said...

I just want to apologies to everyone on here especialy FF & YB.

YB you were right on the money when you said I was on edge, someone told me the same thing just sunday & how I was being a jerk & when I came back & read through my posts again I can see I certainly was.

I am sorry & will try not to let it happen again. I have been working long hours & I guess it has gotten me stressed out but that is still no excuse. Please forgive me.

Also,great post YB.

Thomas

Ali said...

Annon,

You have brought up a very interesting topic. Even though there have been several places in Quran that God has mentioned the story of Adam & Eve but none of those versions adapt to the current Non-Muslim interpretations like that website which you linked here. Now lets see what God mentions in Quran:

" And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. And We said: O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers. But Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them from the (happy) state in which they were; and We said: Fall down, one of you a foe unto the other! There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a time. Then Adam received from his Lord words (of revelation), and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the Merciful. " Holy Quran (2:4-37)

Anon, if you look closely into the entire text of the Holy Quran, you will never find any signifier that relates to either Eve or Adam. There have been THEM always used as the pronoun and not her or him. And that actually not only doesn't let deviant people to use this issue against women in the future [As if women were the source of all evil-doings] but also it insists that they BOTH were deflected and it was their faults.

This is what God states in holy Quran Annon.

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Balor1 said...

faithful forever:

Nope. It is "Gandhi." Pr. "gandhee"

Your reply to Dan was correct. That is why I posted the history lesson on Nero's death.

Nero was the Antichrist, but the specifics of how he met his end were not prophesied in the Apocalypse. The Roman Empire very nearly collapsed following his death in what became known as the year of the four emperors.

Ali said...

Well, I testify that the website www.whitehouse.gov changed just seconds after Barak H. Obama took the oath in Washington. It is recommended to all of my American brothers and sisters to take a look at the Agenda section of the website.

This obviously has been the first change of the change administration!

Keep the faith,
Ali,

young brother said...

Thomas, you have just made the best day of my life so far even better thank you so much for validating what was an effort to help and encourage. Bless you, brother!

We made it! I am watching the helicopter with the Bush family leaving D.C. right now. We survived! Praise the Lord for his mercy and Grace, his patience is truly long-suffering, we must begin the work now of becoming more ripe and ready for his return. This is our great opportunity, and our great responsibility. As long as Barack Obama stays true to his word, he will help us to change our course (repent) and return to the feet of our God. May we cast off the bounds of oppressive forces who have had control for so long. May we truly overcome this system, day by day, choice by choice, person by person!

Balor1 said...

Möglicherweise Bush' s-Flugzeug stößt auf dem Flug zurück zu Texas zusammen.

Dan +†+ said...

YB,

You are insane or illogical or both.

You claimed that Bush was the Antichrist and now that he is no longer in power you claim:

As long as Barack Obama stays true to his word, he will help us to change our course (repent) and return to the feet of our God.

Are you psycho?

Have you read the Bible? Have you read all the things that will transpire? Things that did not happen under the watch of Bush? So you still believe you were right about Bush being the Antichrist and that Obama is now your savior i.e. Christ?

Please explain this one but first let me get my popcorn. Repent

Sandra said...

YB,
Amen. We got through the eight years with the help of the Lord. Now we go forth in love and compassion to try to make this world a better place until the coming of Jesus. Overcoming this system becomes easier when you realize people are more important than material possessions, power and greed.

Thomas,
I am so glad you are still with the community. We all get short at times and we need to show compassion and love at our weaknesses. I know we are all here to help each other grow and truly live out the teachings of Jesus. We stumble and fall but pick ourselves up and continue working at bringing forth the true teachings of our Lord and Savior.


Whenever you are confronted with an opponent. Conquer him with love.”
Mahatma Gandhi

“Whenever you have truth it must be given with love, or the message and the messenger will be rejected”
Mahatma Gandhi

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Mahatma Gandhi

Let us hope we become more like Christ every day through his teachings.

Balor1 said...

Dan,

W was the antichrist of our generation. By "our generation" I loosely define it as meaning the nation with highest church attendance calling itself "Christian."

Under W, the USA bankrupted itself morally, spiritually, fiscally, and other ways. I fear our generation failed the test by tolerating the utter criminality of the Bush regime. Christians who supported him can never have their witness for Jesus ever taken seriously again. They are like modern Esaus' who sold their spiritual birthrights for a political pottage.

Those who recognized Bush for what he was are justified today. Dan, you obviously did not. You are not welcome at our party.

Dan +†+ said...

Balor1,

W was the antichrist of our generation. By "our generation" I loosely define it as meaning the nation with highest church attendance calling itself "Christian."

OK fine all I ask is that can you back up this, what I am to believe eisegesis, Scriptually? Your perceived knowledge is unlike anything I have heard before.

Please show me my error. Please show Scriptually, the many Satan's with many Antichrists over many generations.

For the record, I think Bush was a great liar and a deceiver, as most presidents have been. But YB declared him the "Antichrist" which has an entirely different connotation Biblically, from what I understand.

Is this the same Antichrist that will rule the earth just before Christ comes? Or is this what is called Scripturally the (sarcasm) "Antichrist lite?" (/sarcasm)

You are confusing me a great deal. Please show your reasoning.

If I am I wrong please back up your "yes" scripturally otherwise I cannot believe you. If you care about me and my soul you will accommodate my ignorance.

Blessings

Balor1 said...

Dan,

You want me to show you your process of misinterpreting text in such a way that it introduces your own ideas, reading into the text?

I am not going to do this!

It is a matter of disagreement that I have with others here in that I believe that when John's Apocalypse said that "these things must soon come to pass" he was speaking of a fulfillment in his day!

The main difference I have with others here is that I believe Bush was "an" antichrist and not "the" Antichrist. For me, Nero is, was, and always shall be the "Antichrist." The rest are simply variations.

Where is the Scriptural basis for my belief?

I tell you that it comes from the same source which informs the modern mind that human slavery is immoral and wrong. You tell me where is the Scriptural basis for that belief?

I make so bold as to say it is the Holy Spirit which revealed to me the spiritual progeny of Nero's line and that Bush is one of them.

Jesus did not lie to his followers. His second coming occurred long ago; in the first century. His coming was in the clouds and in judgement He came. The nation of Israel and the temple in Jerusalem were destroyed!

You are like those old Jews who were expecting a worldly king to destroy the evil empire and establish a utopia upon the earth.

Jesus told Pilate, "My kingdom is not of this world."

Why do people have such a hard time understanding this?

Emperor Bush is gone. Emperor Obama is here. Will he be a better emperor? No matter! The empire continues for now: for how much longer is for G-d to decide.

I rejoice that I have lived to see the end of Bush's reign. I have friends who did not. From this day until the kingdom comes for me I will bear witness to the time I lived through. Every one here will.

Dan +†+ said...

Balor1,

You gave my understanding of things, pause. Nice Job.

I will research it more.

Thank you.

Sandra said...

Balor1,

Could you tell me what this says?

Möglicherweise Bush' s-Flugzeug stößt auf dem Flug zurück zu Texas zusammen.

Thanks

Balor1 said...

Sandra,

It was some last minute invective. In German of course.

"Perhaps Bush's airplane will crash on the flight back to Texas."

young brother said...

Balor, the cycles of history and prophecy will continue until God's harvest is ripe and ready; his patience is amazing. We've just gone through a great furnace, and our job is to be faithful with what refinement our spirits have experienced so far. The way I see it, after every antichrist in history, the church has a chance to enter a window of opportunity which will manifest the kingdom of God on Earth. This is our window of opportunity. It just so happens that a lot of the rhetoric and spirit behind Barack Obama is in tune with the responsibilities of those who wish to enter into the kingdom of God. I don't believe that Obama is the Christ, but I believe he is a true Christian (either that, or a very good liar).

Obama is also a very inspiring and charismatic leader. The world might just be under the exact right conditions to inspire a planet-wide domino effect of repentance and responsibility. We've got that chance. It's up to us all to make the most of it.

Dan, 1 John 2:18 refers to "many antichrists". Daniel 11:21-45 paints an interesting picture that lines up very precisely with the legacy of George Bush.

I have read the Bible, and am not a "Psycho". Your problem is that you don't understand what the purpose of the antichrist is, or how the timeline of the end will actually unfold. I promise you, we will not see any prostitutes riding on the backs of seven headed beasts in the actual last days. However, we will see an abundance of ignorance that is labeled as "wisdom", and a complete disregard for the instructions and guidance of Jesus Christ...that is the reality of our current world. If you can't understand, I'm sorry, but there is nothing I can do.

young brother said...

The prophecy below comes from Ezekiel chapter 22 (the whole thing). It really reminds me of what just happened in Gaza. This demonstrates a boldness that is needed in these days. Zionists (Jew and Christian) both hide behind a book that contains this indictment of their proudest, and boldest behavior. It is one example of a strong theme touched on by all the prophets, reinforced and verified by Christ, and taught by the apostles.

There will be no confusion in the day of Judgment. No falsely faithful sheep will enter into the kingdom...none. The mainstream American church is in great spiritual danger. Pro-war, pro-hate, anti-mercy doctrines must be recognized and removed by all self-proclaimed believers if they are to escape the coming judgment. The urgency of this needed correction cannot be stressed enough; the most religiously comfortable people alive are the most seriously at risk.

Dan. before you continue to mock, or demand further explanations or repentance from anyone else, read this passage from the Old Testament very slowly, and very carefully. Take it to heart. Go in peace.

Ezekiel 22;

The word of the LORD came to me: You, mortal, will you judge, will you judge the bloody city? Then declare to it all its abominable deeds. You shall say, Thus says the Lord GOD: A city! Shedding blood within itself; its time has come; making its idols, defiling itself. You have become guilty by the blood that you have shed, and defiled by the idols that you have made; you have brought your day near, the appointed time of your years has come. Therefore I have made you a disgrace before the nations, and a mockery to all the countries. Those who are near and those who are far from you will mock you, you infamous one, full of tumult. The princes of Israel in you, everyone according to his power, have been bent on shedding blood. Father and mother are treated with contempt in you; the alien residing within you suffers extortion; the orphan and the widow are wronged in you. You have despised my holy things, and profaned my sabbaths. In you are those who slander to shed blood, those in you who eat upon the mountains, who commit lewdness in your midst. In you they uncover their fathers' nakedness; in you they violate women in their menstrual periods. One commits abomination with his neighbor's wife; another lewdly defiles his daughter-in-law; another in you defiles his sister, his father's daughter. In you, they take bribes to shed blood; you take both advance interest and accrued interest, and make gain of your neighbors by extortion; and you have forgotten me, says the Lord GOD.

See, I strike my hands together at the dishonest gain you have made, and at the blood that has been shed within you. Can your courage endure, or can your hands remain strong in the days when I shall deal with you? I the LORD have spoken, and I will do it. I will scatter you among the nations and disperse you through the countries, and I will purge your filthiness out of you. And I shall be profaned through you in the sight of the nations; and you shall know that I am the LORD.

The word of the LORD came to me: Mortal, the house of Israel has become dross to me; all of them, silver, bronze, tin, iron, and lead. In the smelter they have become dross. Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have all become dross, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. As one gathers silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into a smelter, to blow the fire upon them in order to melt them; so I will gather you in my anger and in my wrath, and I will put you in and melt you. I will gather you and blow upon you with the fire of my wrath, and you shall be melted within it. As silver is melted in a smelter, so you shall be melted in it; and you shall know that I the LORD have poured out my wrath upon you.

The word of the LORD came to me: Mortal, say to it: You are a land that is not cleansed, not rained upon in the day of indignation. Its princes within it are like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured human lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows within it.
Its priests have done violence to my teaching and have profaned my holy things; they have made no distinction between the holy and the common, neither have they taught the difference between the unclean and the clean, and they have disregarded my sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. Its officials within it are like wolves tearing the prey, shedding blood, destroying lives to get dishonest gain. Its prophets have smeared whitewash on their behalf, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, "Thus says the Lord GOD," when the LORD has not spoken. The people of the land have practiced extortion and committed robbery; they have oppressed the poor and needy, and have extorted from the alien without redress. And I sought for anyone among them who would repair the wall and stand in the breach before me on behalf of the land, so that I would not destroy it; but I found no one. 31 Therefore I have poured out my indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath; I have returned their conduct upon their heads, says the Lord GOD.

faithful forever said...

Greetings all,

Among all the renewed 'peace' in the world, I would so love to embrace it as well, but I relate more to how Annon feels that it is not this easily fixed. 'Peace and then sudden destruction' keeps rolling around in my head (again)because the whole wide world is breathing a collective sigh of relief, believing that things are going to be okay now. Remember Joe Biden's rant about the 21st or the 22nd of January testing the mettle of Obama. I am sorry to rain on the parade of good feelings, but I have to see the change to believe it. God's will will be done and that is all that really matters.

Go Balor! I certainly love hearing your convictions because of your steadfastness and passion, even if they differ from mine. That was quite a post of history and thank you. The only difference is the past rulers were not in the end of times like we are. I still always enjoy your insights, and the perspectives you bring. Love and blessings my brother.

Thomas, so glad to see you back - the best news all day. We simply must keep forging ahead and allow the Lord to do His work in us, and I rejoice that He was faithful again. No hard feelings here my brother in Christ and I know full well how this world can get to us when we aren't even aware how much it is wearing us down. Love and peace to you. Onward all you people of the feet for the glory of our Lord.

All things will be revealed.

Love to all.

NathanDave said...

Balor,

I find your preterism fascinating, (did I say that right, preterism?) and I think that much of revelation was fulfilled in the 1st century as well. I still believe that Revelation 20 has yet to be fulfilled, and is being fullfille din our time right now. This prophecy is similar in language and scope to the Gog Magog prophecy of Ezekiel.

One point of ocntention. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world, translated "system" or government. Some day, his Kingdom will be of this world, as it is in heaven. This is what I believe will happen, and I also believe the events leading to it were started by the antichrist Bush.

Ali said...

" Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come) the help of God?" Ah! Verily, the help of God is (always) near! "
-Quran (2:214)

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Dan +†+ said...

YB,

What is frustrating me is you keep moving the goal posts, dude. Did you not believe that Bush would somehow still be in power evidenced by your comments? I can recite them if you are confused but I doubt that you forgot your own posts and comments. Never the less, I have them if required.

We are to test the fruit to see if is of God and you were plainly wrong.

Like in science we test the fruit. The key to the testing process is falsifiability. A positive test result means a hypothesis is plausible, but a negative test result proves it false.

You get a big negative and your prophecy is falsified since Bush is not still in office opposed to your prophetic understanding. It was a big fail. It is fine to be wrong, it's OK to fail what isn't OK with me is denial. I have been wrong many times but I have been man enough to admit it. Your turn.

Balor1's comments gave me pause since his position is something I didn't consider about him as I assumed that He was on the same path (beliefs) as you and I was wrong and should apologize for assuming such. Sorry Balor1.

You though, thought we were going to be raptured soon and the world would have been fooled by Bush somehow and worship him as God. That Bush was the person that would be the Antichrist not one of many antichrists as Balor1 eloquently postulated.

I am not mad at you, I am disappointed at your dishonesty.

Ali said...

Dan & Balor1

I am gonna add another dimension into this. I actually posted that verse of Quran (Before Dan's post) regarding to your comments my brothers. You may want to re-read it before continuing reading this.

What I utterly believe is that the people here, as far as I have understood, have chosen not to be among the shaken spirits. Neither would you I guess. And the point that does matter is just because George W. Bush has left the office on a live televised program it doesn't really mean that "Emperor Bush is gone!" in effect.

I suggest that it would be too simplistic to think Bush(s) Empire and their monetary supporters simply leave everything to the hands of a young & naive Black senator (their description) letting him make some decisive decisions for them in this exceptional & critical segment of the human history. No! unless they already would have a hand on EVERYTHING.

So point number one is, because you read it in the magazines and see it on the TV screen it doesn't make factual and point number two is, the people's names might have changed but not the claims. Obama said yesterday that "..we will not excuse from anyone because of our way of living.." !! And that was hell of a message to everyone.

If G.W. Bush said "Either you are with us or you are with the enemy" sometime after September 11, this Guy (Obama) is setting the same tone only within the minutes after his inauguration.

To me nothing has changed, except the fact that I have a tendency to think of Obama as a servant of his masters. Eventually I am not even confident of my own thoughts because God the greatest only knows the best.

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Ali said...

In case I have forgotten to share this:

Norman Finkelstein - Hezbollah, the Honour of Lebanon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Dan +†+ said...

Ali, I applaud your honesty. You may indeed be right. I will also be the first to say that I was wrong if that is indeed the case.

I am not even confident of my own thoughts because God the greatest only knows the best.

I agree and feel the same, I wish certain false prophets that proclaims "special knowledge" would admit this also. Did you say something YB? No, didn't think so.

So YB proclaiming Bush, the man, being the false messiah was indeed wrong. It would be impossible to believe the world would follow him as the new messiah.

The Bush doctrine pushing forward that false Messiah could very well be the case since that man did some horrible things to make it hard for any of us to counter.

Let's see who is charismatic and extremely likable? Who is the world embracing as the one to save the worlds economic troubles? Who will the world follow for these things. Who will probably set up a peace treaty to end this Gaza situation? Will he violate that treaty since he might be sympathetic to Muslims? Who is in position to do all these things? Hmm, I just can't think who that would be.

As the church lady from SNL would say "Hmm, could it be...OBAMA?!"

YB says "of course not, he will right all these wrongs that the evil Bush did because he is our savior" ...oops!

NathanDave said...

I dont remember YB claiming to be a prophet, and I think that he can be excused for jumping the gun on the 9-11 aniversary. Also Dan I think you are right to call YB to account for the things he writes, but he at least is willing to engage us in the process of thinking and debating. Its easy to lay back and say "see I told you so."

Dan, I would also like to point out that the viewpoints of Bush being antichrist by the members of this blog vary greatly. I have always felt that the person called antichrist is not as important as the demonic system which supports him, or her as the case may be. So, Ali is right, if the system is still in place, it matters not who the man is "behind the curtain." Fact is, nothing will change with Obama, other than the overt agressivenese 0f America.

Anyway, it seems like people take things way too persoanlly on this site sometimes. We are a very fragile group!

young brother said...

Dan, I am not ashamed of what I've said, and I will admit that I believed Bush would still be in power. Obviously I was mistaken in that belief. You have never respected me in the 8 months we have known each other, so I can say that it doesn't break my heart for you to say you are ashamed of me now.

Now, my perception of the timeline has never been a "Thus saith the Lord" proposition, so I am not a false prophet. I am more of a teacher, who has made some correct prophetic predictions, and some incorrect ones. If you are truly attempting to judge me by my fruit, you should also weigh in my correct prophecy of the Mississippi floods this summer.

I rarely venture out into the realm of prophecy, but I've got a good set of eyes, and I know that what's been calling itself "faith" in the mainstream is like bitter smoke in the eyes of the Lord. We are invoking his wrath with our mindless, selfish, godless behavior. I know we won't be allowed to do this forever. I know the spirit of the Lord is moving in the world now in a new and significant way. I, and others here and elsewhere, can clearly see the "hand writing on the wall". Bush has played a significant role in the conditions that the world is now in. George W Bush has treated this country just like one of his first business ventures; he ran it into the ground, dumped his stock while it was still profitable, and bailed while the ship was beginning to sink. What has been done cannot be undone, and what has begun is a chain of events that will lead to an inevitable conclusion. The antichrist is not the opposite of Christ, so much as he is a significant player in a much grander period of trial, tribulation, and judgment.

young brother said...

In the last days there will be a majority of the world falling apart at the seams, at the same time there will be a counter-current movement towards repentance, a very real movement involving living people that overcomes the enemies of God and the earth. George Bush began the chain reaction of global collapse, and in the midst of this judgment, righteous people everywhere are expected to participate in the counter-revolution. We must hope, we must be bold, we shall overcome.

Anonymous said...

From G.Washington to B.Obama.

http://www.flixxy.com/presidents-morphing.htm

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

Ali said...

"I have covered earthquakes, hurricanes and the Tsunami and what has happened here is as bad or worse than anything that I've seen in any of those." - Channel 4 reporter Jonathan Miller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hjyq2FzRBo

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Ali said...

President Obama retakes the Oath but..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXq4d3xSOcg

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Anonymous said...

It does not matter Ali:

Matthew 5:33 - 5:37

33"Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' 34But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

Dan +†+ said...

YB,

I will admit that I believed Bush would still be in power. Obviously I was mistaken in that belief.

See that wasn't so hard now was it? No one hates you for saying you made a mistake, I know I don't. In fact I love you even more for being honest with yourself. When you were wrong, and wouldn't admit to it, I merely rebuked you because of your pride. I love you, Dude. I don't want bad things to happen to you or any of us. I test everyone and God gave us our gage to do this. We must. It's a requirement and a command to do so. Especially to ourselves.

If it appeared that I was mean to you then good I did my Job. I welcome you back to humanity as a fallible dude, like the rest of us. You cannot teach with any "special knowledge" then the rest of us. Elevating self is wrong. Pride should be shunned and that is all I attempted to do. I agree you are not a false prophet or any prophet for that matter. We all have unanswered questions and we all fail ourselves. An alcoholic will not admit that he has a problem. A recovering alcoholic will. Welcome to your recovery.

Humbly fallible also,
Dan

The lemonade is on me. :)

Dan +†+ said...

I found this interesting and thought I would share. What do you think?

faithful forever said...

Greetings all.

I have been watching with interest also, Ali, the shennigans involved in taking the 'oath' of the President. First there was a lot of hype about Obama using Lincoln's Bible during the inauguration, but yet when we retakes the oath today 'behind closed doors' (with cameras in their faces), there is no Bible present.

The use of white phosphorus in Gaza by the IDF is being well proven, and Israel is not even denying the allegation. The suffering and oppression has not stopped because the attack has, and please continue to keep the Palestinians in your prayers.

I believed Bush was the Wicked One, the Son of Perdition. I did not think Bush would leave power if for no other reason than to not be tried for war crimes, but he has immunity anyway from the cabal that is running our world - temporarily. This shows that nobody knows how this is going to unfold but it is not over yet. Anything can happen..anything.

Great links and posts everyone; keep shining and keep marching. The Lord is faithful.

Love and His peace to all.

young brother said...

I thought this article was interesting: Bush's "War on Terrorism" Comes to a Sudden End. Be blessed, all.

faithful forever said...

Greetings YB and holy kisses,

It was an interesting article. It seems too good to be true. The Constitution restored, an end to torture, closing Guantanamo, and ending the war on terror just like that. A real possibility or merely a ploy remains to be seen. As the old saying goes, talk is cheap. Many will believe that this signing today will make our country less secure (and open for an attack). ~They~ are warning us today about a new threat from 'Al-Queda' and timing is everything:

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Qaeda_urges_attacks_in_US_Britain_t_01222009.html

There is talk about the nationalization of the banking industry which sounds like a cover for a new financial order. Bank of America seems to be at the helm of it and this is interesting because of claim that 23 Bank of America employees were on board. Maybe there are putting up a resistance. The pilot has still not made a statement and I guess maybe he never will. Odd for a man who was hailed as a hero not to come out and at least say something.

I couldn't read the article, but it sounds like there has been another student attack at Virginia Tech that involves stabbing and beheading. This is our world.

Obama finally speaks about Gaza:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7cf745dc-e8ce-11dd-a4d0-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Keep looking up.
Love to all.

Ali said...

A picture and thousand words:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/graphics/011909_presidents/

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Anonymous said...

Fox News and right wing weirdo's:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Daily_Show_Fox_attacks_Obama_on_0123.html

Anonymous said...

Obama is more than just a savvy and well educated black man who happened to stumble onto the scene at the right time and place. He is the spearhead of an immensely well planned and executed operation to rescue this planet from a most abominable fate. The best minds in the universe are helping him in this effort, and he himself has been preparing for this for a considerable period of time by our reckoning. If this were not so, how are we to explain the wisdom and composure he displays, and his willingness to stare unflinchingly at a smorgasbord of very serious challenges and plunge ahead with all vigor to solve them. He is able to do this because on his world of origin such challenges have long found solutions, and he has volunteered to bring such solutions to this sphere. You may ask: if such answers exist, why aren’t they just dumped on our doorstep by such purported advanced civilizations? The reasons are quite complex, but in a nutshell, Earth planet is under a decree, that states that such information must be revealed by those willing to incarnate here, and in doing so take all the risks that are associated therewith. These risks are death, imprisonment, torture, ridicule, despair and failure, as well as getting totally lost on a dark world. A black man might even experience all these things simultaneously.

young brother said...

Very interesting observation, Anonymous. I like the analogy of Obama as a spearhead. I will follow his leadership as long as he remains honest and virtuous. So far he is doing a great job. I will not let suspicion and doubt to deprive me of hope in the promised deliverance of all who are oppressed. The Lord knows who he is using, and who is truly following Him. I have hope of restoration, and a coming period of peace. We may spiral into a terrible conflict between now and then, we may not. I hope not.

FF, I see your point, you may be right, however I will not doubt Obama's authenticity until I have a good reason to. Bush gave the world every reason not to trust him, Obama has not done that yet (and he may not). The executive orders that he has signed so far aren't just talk. He is following through on his campaign promises.

Also, bear in mind that there are plenty of fundamentalists who are screaming about Obama being the Antichrist (and have been since the primaries); they will do whatever they can to stop him from making restoration and progress...they have condemned him in their hearts already, and so will not recognize whatever integrity and/or righteousness that he may possess. That's just not right.

Sandra said...

YB,
Throughout your messages on this blog never once did you express how any one of us should cast our vote. Your integrity on that issue was in my humble opinion above reproach. That I now find out you voted for Obama as I also did should not be considered somehow as being naïve or that somehow we think Obama is anything but a man who wants to help this country come together. If we are wrong it will not be the first time that I have been wrong and it won't be the last. No where in all of my readings of your views did you every say that Obama was the savior. It makes me sad that you have been mocked on that issue but God knows your heart. Be of good cheer YB. We all make mistakes and none of us here believe that you deceived any of us. Bush was not a good man. That we got through it is a miracle and we need to thank the Lord for his mercy.

You have helped me grow and I am very thankful for all your hard work in helping us understand the times we are living in.

Your sister in Christ.

Anonymous said...

Hi all

I am not sure if a change in the administration would bring the kind of change the whole world is hoping for. I still have to see if Obama can influence the people around him as powerfully as his predecessor did. I am neither prepared to doubt him nor hope that he will turn things around.
However, it has always been the case that there are people who are determined to do evil things against what the people of the world are longing for. And they are always the ones who are capable of complicating things in order that the whole world will submit to their evil plan one way or another. Giving credit to Obama for taking some wonderful actions in his first day as a president, is good. Then again, what else can make a difference in the pools or public opinions? Lets not forget, we are in the end times and the end times scenario as per the scriptures doesn't include what we hoping for under the new administration. The Great Day of The Lord is coming and its dreadful. Lets hope but let our hope be Jesus Christ - the hope of glory.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

http://www.blackcommentator.com/297/297_kir_obama_presidency_pt1.html

faithful forever said...

Greetings,

During Obama's campaign he talked about widening the war in Afghanistan and it looks like that is what is going to happen:

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_Marines_ready_to_deploy_up_to_20_01232009.html

The US struck Pakistan today with two drone missles of which Obama was 'briefed' and he hasn't said a thing about it. They were the first under his administration, and makes it appear as business as usual.

I have no idea what he is really about, but I am not looking for restoration in this world from anyone other than our Lord. I know that He will send us "Elijah" before the great and awful day of His glorious return, but my limited understanding is this will not be one man, but an outpouring of His spirit on His two witnesses, the House of Judah and the House of Israel. The deceit of the old foe will deceive the elect if it were possible in the end times. Obama visited Israel before the election and said nothing about the Palestinian crisis (extreme blockade), and has said very little since the brutal attack which unfortunately has been not much more than the tired old statement that Israel has a right to defend itself and he has every intention of supporting Israel in doing so. Does that statement mean that Israel is not accountable in any way for the DIME and white phosphorus used because it is defending itself. He stands closely and firmly with AIPAC and that speaks volumes. Either he is deceiving ~them~ that put him in office, or he is deceiving us. So far, his actions (his fruits) speak for the latter. At least he is much more eloquent and has a great smile that makes you want to believe that you can trust him even though his name rhymes with Osama. We just can't make this stuff up, but they have.

As with all things, time will tell. I was wrong about Bush, and it was not be the first time nor the last time for me either Sandra! We all have to follow our hearts as best we can.

Love and peace to all.

faithful forever said...

A link in regard to the drone attacks in Pakistan:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/White_House_press_briefing_0123.html

faithful forever said...

Some more food for thought:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10070

Keep praising the holy name of the Lord God Almighty Jesus Christ, giving thanks in all things.

I am thankful for each and every one that gathers here. My love and prayers to all.

Anonymous said...

When Christ dropped in 2000 years ago, his impending visit was well known in the dark (spirit) underworld, and Herod (read: Earthly stooge) tried to eliminate all newborn infants nationwide to thwart this. Today, oppression of the black man, and minorities in general over the last century, is simply a parallel effort displaced to modern times, in a vain attempt to prevent the appearance of a similar figure today. Since the white man has historically been the oppressor, it seemed logical, even to the dark side, that from the assumed perspective of the benign greater powers, a purely white person would be an unacceptable candidate for this task. They were correct, and Obama was wise to maintain a low profile for the duration of his youth, having absolutely no power or notoriety until his mid forties. No person is entitled to special supernatural protection unless earned, even if you are God incarnate. Obama earned it the old fashioned way, by unselfish public service. By the time he emerged, there was no time to react, he was well shielded both spiritually and physically, and it was too late for the opposition to pull the usual stunts. The lessons of JFK, RFK and MLK were well learned. Being a human mongrel was the perfect disguise.

Ali said...

Greetings FF,

Interesting information. I didn't know that Zbigniew is Obama's foreign policy advisor. He has been the promoter of one world government ever since the fall of the soviet union. This guy has authored a book which appears to be very crucial manifestation of his future policies and also reveals his satanic ideologies. What a coincident that he is now in Obama's team.

Man Behind The Curtain: Zbigniew Brzezinski-Part 1of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK1SdiHweow

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Anonymous said...

So Ole Rush wants Obama to fail.

They gave him the keys to a car that Bush totaly demolished & when he tries to fire up the engine & it doesn't start they can claim he failed? What a joke these people are.

What really scares me is these people like the anonymous who think Obama is Crist, he is a man just like the rest of us.

Matthew 24:26-28
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Watch for the next attack to be domestic. They always use republicans to forward their agenda abroad & democrats to forward their agenda at home.
It would be a huge mistake for them to stage a foreign attack so soon after Obama took office because it would be hard to believe from even the most gullible that they would do so & escalate the war & not wait to see if he will follow through on his promises.
Watch for him to use the patriot act to eliminate more rights like major gun restrictions & registrations just before they declare martial law after a domestic attack blamed on the right wing fanatics.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11
The Day of the Lord
1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.

Just to let you all know none of the anonymous posts are from me, I will only post under my name as to not confuse since there seems to be some anonymous posters on here now.

Thomas

Anonymous said...

Don't be so sure that Obama is with them. He listened to this Reverend for 20 years. Time will tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkHBJS19F8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ&feature=related

Sandra said...

Thomas,
I agree with this statement by you:

"What really scares me is these people like the anonymous who think Obama is Crist, he is a man just like the rest of us."

I also don't agree with Obama on his statement that this country does not have to apologize for their way of life. We are in the mess we are in because of most peoples way of life. This whole system of greed and material wealth at the expense of others has gotten us to this point in time. Most in this country are paying the price now because they have sold their souls to the banks with credit cards and high mortgage payments because they "wanted" mega homes. It was not out of need but want. I do believe this whole economical system is of the antichrist. I warn people all the time to get out of it. Don't be controlled by the beast of the whole economical system. Live within your means. Our health care system is also based on greed and is run by the drug companies to promote their high priced medicine to keep their profits up and make money on the sick and disabled. What a system!!!!

Anonymous said...

Who the hell are the dark forces, and what are they doing here? To understand this, one needs to realize that there are millions of planets whose inhabitants have advanced well beyond Earth, are able to travel effortlessly through space, and have the freedom and capability to visit Earth clandestinely. Advanced does not automatically mean kind and helpful. They may use any form of persuasion, trickery and insurgency to gain a foothold here, but are forbidden to use technology (weapons) to conquer, on pain of annihilation (cosmic babysitters do exist). In other words, they need to have On-Earth allies eager to do their dirty work for them, being unwilling or unable to incarnate here themselves. Civilizations that stoop to subterfuge to gain control are typically modeled on fascistic principles. Earth has been under such an invasion for at least a century! If this sounds kind of creepy, it is, but no one is powerless to repel such an attack. Recognizing that such an infiltration is taking place, and being able to reject it consciously, forces them to withdraw. In this regard, to say that Earth dodged a very big bullet by electing Obama and not McCain is the understatement of all time.

(Incidentaly, some of you here should read what is written more carefully, and not project your own meanings into the words)

Sandra said...

Anonymous,

Is that you Pegalys? Please forgive me if I am wrong but your views sound a lot like a friend we had over on the blog "Is George Bush the antichrist".

Anonymous said...

Quote: No person is entitled to special supernatural protection unless earned, even if you are God incarnate. Obama earned it the old fashioned way, by unselfish public service.

So what am I missing here? Are you not implying that Obama is God incarnate?

Of course you will say I didn't say he was but you implied it. Maybe you should be more careful in how you word things.

Thomas

Ali said...

Sandra,

How meaningful comments my sister! Indeed I agree with you not as an American but as an Iranian who has seen the similar issues which you mentioned in his culture and in his own country. The fact that matters nowadays is that we as human beings are all suffering from exact similar issues mostly due to our way of lives. It doesn't really matter which country are we in. It is global and it is heavy and we are paying the price all together. And yet Obama says such a stale statement.

I wanted to refute anonymous's claims about Aliens, now I see "Metaphorically" he is right! World leaders are all alienated from the real issues of our time.

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Sandra said...

Hypocrisy with Obama. This is how we know he makes errors and not to be worshipped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WUqjvl5_Lc

We need to know who we serve.

FF,
Great link on all the people surrounding Obama. Does not look like the system will change but time will tell.

Ali,
People are blind to how they feed into the beast of the economical world. In the Gospels Jesus warns us all against getting caught up in the world and its possessions for material wealth but most Christians in this country don't want to hear that part of his teachings. We have enslaved the third world with our consumer mentality. The economical system brings about all the suffering in the world because of "our interest" . Translated "our greed and wealth" at the expense of the suffering in this world. Leaders are caught up in it and say the words that feed the people the false sense of security and that our way is the best way for the world. Not true in my humble opinion.

Anonymous said...

The current financial system is basically a finely engineered system of societal control, based on debt. If this system were allowed to continue, the entire planet would soon fall under the complete control of a very small group of individuals, who would in turn be under the invisible influence of a mentally superior off-planet civilization with ulterior motives. It has to go. There is no need to lose any sleep over its collapse, because it is riddled with flawed principles. It relies on debt, intimidation, fear, borrowing and paying back, illegitimate ownership, greed and often outright theft and extortion. What you are witnessing is the controlled demolition of an obsolete structure, one not worthy of salvation. Even Obama will not be able to rescue it, nor should he. New and better things are waiting in the wings, based more on general abundance, universal prosperity, paying forward, gifting and receiving, and debt forgiveness. Money will then be regarded as a social resource of great power, and being a steward of it a privilege and responsibility, and not as an opportunity for personal enrichment at the expense of others.

NathanDave said...

I think anonymous is saying that Obama is not the messiah but a gift from the forces of light to counteract the plans of the dark ones. The forces of darkness were overcome recently, and we did dodge a huge bullet. For now, of course.

Sandra said...

Nathandave,
I am beginning to see what Annoyomous was saying more clearly. He was not saying Obama is God incarnate but protected due to following the path. We all believe we are under God's protection when we follow the path of Jesus.

I am sorry Annoyomous for misunderstanding your statement.

Dan +†+ said...

FF,

I have no idea what he is really about, but I am not looking for restoration in this world from anyone other than our Lord.

That was brilliant and I couldn't agree more. Bravo!

I was wrong about Bush, and it was not be the first time nor the last time for me either Sandra! We all have to follow our hearts as best we can.

Possibly, the reason why you were wrong is because you indeed followed your heart my friend. Please remember that our hearts are exceedingly wicked and deceitful. If I followed my hearts desires then I would be in a very bad place in my life but that just is not the case. (Proverbs 3:5-6)

I will be the very first person in line to scream at the very top of my lungs that I am spiritually bankrupt and have no other choice but to follow our Lord. I followed "me" for so many years and it only slammed me into wall after wall. When I blindly jumped out with Jesus as my parachute, I found salvation forever.

Blessing

Sandra said...

Better to have Jesus as your parachute than the golden parachutes of the corrupt wall street bankers and corporations. We know what they worship.

NathanDave said...

Dan,

I have to say that I am not a fan of your theology of spiritual bankruptcy, as you call it. Very Calvinist. I prefer to see human life in a more positive light.

Also, just because some people on this site may have thought Bush was the man of sin(he still may be, by the way, because the system that supported him is still inplace) does not mean that they listen to their own inner voice and not the voice of Christ. the purpose of the sites we have all become a part of were to discuss issues relating to the end times, and to confront the monstorous evil that was the Bush Administraiton. This is what we did, and I think that this site and others like it helped to expose their evil to plain light. For that, I will never apologize.

Anonymous said...

Was George Bush the Antichrist? He certainly was no child of the Light. Everything he touched was ruined, his every act destructive, he embodied every principle deplored by the better aspirations of mankind, while exhibiting every Hobbesian characteristic known to man. But what’s in a name? If the shoe fits…! Though he is now reviled, despised and run out of town, his contribution to the advancement of this planet should not be so quickly overlooked. Of course, nothing this petulant, spoiled little mamma’s boy did was itself of any value whatsoever, and will be undone as fast and swift as Mr. Obama can wield his pen, yet he gave the planet the greatest gift of all, unity. Not that this was even remotely his intention, in fact the opposite is true, he attempted to traitorously sell out mankind to the highest bidder, both spiritually and physically. Unconsciously he became the mirror of one’s darker side, and in retrospect many will suddenly see the path they were on, and happily the path not taken. He performed a great service, not necessarily one deserving a reward, but certainly he now needs all the healing energy that this new age of goodwill can project his way.

Anonymous said...

New age? Yes I see were you are coming from now.

Thomas

NathanDave said...

Thanks for your contribution anonymous. Honest seekers are always welcome from my perspective. I also agree, that while Bussh intended to sell the world to corporate interets, and plunge us into a nuclear war, many people from diverse faiths and philosophies united to face this evil with truth. I want to thank God for listening to his people, and now I hope that the unveiling of the holy spirit will emlighten us all to prepare to recieve the earth changes that are happening right now.

Sandra said...

Nathandave,
I always like it when you are around because your perspective is very much needed.

Annoyomous,
I also would like to say welcome. Seekers of truth with love is always the way to be. We are not here to destroy but to build up the body of Christ. YB wrote:

"If anything disconnects us from love, we must resist it. And we must remind our children, our parents, our siblings and neighbors about the truly good news of the Kingdom of God."

On earth as it is in heaven.

faithful forever said...

Greetings to all, and wonderful comments everyone. This community is a blessing beyond measure and fills me with love and devotion to those who gather here. It is always important to remember that we are all on the same side if earnestly seeking the truth according to His holy word, even though in different places on this remarkable journey.

My brother nathandave, you summarized my thoughts completely with this:

'Also, just because some people on this site may have thought Bush was the man of sin(he still may be, by the way, because the system that supported him is still inplace) does not mean that they listen to their own inner voice and not the voice of Christ.'

Jesus' disciples when He walked with them many times misunderstood His words and lessons, but it certainly did not mean they were not listening to Him. We are no different here.

Dan, I would like to say I very much enjoy your less accusing tone and we are all here (including you my brother) for a reason. What we do with it is up to us.

Keep shining everyone. Our redemption is drawing near.

Thomas, you are a tremendous blessing to our community.

Love and prayers to all...each a special gift with a special purpose.

Balor1 said...

I've been sick with a cold for the past week, but I have been meditating on a piece of music by Johann Sebastian Bach I have always found inspirational. It is his Cantata #26, "Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig."

Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig

Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig
Ist der Menschen Leben!
Wie ein Nebel bald entstehet
Und auch wieder bald vergehet,
So ist unser Leben, sehet!

(O how fleeting, O how empty
are peoples' lives!
Like a cloud which quickly forms
and also soon disappears,
behold: so are our lives!)

So schnell ein rauschend Wasser schießt,
So eilen unser Lebenstage.
Die Zeit vergeht, die Stunden eilen,
Wie sich die Tropfen plötzlich teilen,
Wenn alles in den Abgrund schießt.

(As quick as a roaring water shoots,
so passes the days of our lives.
The time goes, the hours pass,
like the drops which suddenly part,
when everything shoots into the Abyss.)

Die Freude wird zur Traurigkeit,
Die Schönheit fällt als eine Blume,
Die größte Stärke wird geschwächt,
Es ändert sich das Glücke mit der Zeit,
Bald ist es aus mit Ehr und Ruhme,
Die Wissenschaft und was ein Mensche dichtet,
Wird endlich durch das Grab vernichtet.

(Joy becomes sorrow,
beauty falls like a bloom,
the greatest strength becomes weakness,
luck changes with time,
honor and fame are soon lost,
peoples' knowledge and deeds
become annhiliated in the grave.)

An irdische Schätze das Herze zu hängen,
Ist eine Verführung der törichten Welt.
Wie leichtlich entstehen verzehrende Gluten,
Wie rauschen und reißen die wallenden Fluten,
Bis alles zerschmettert in Trümmern zerfällt.

(For the heart to hang to earthly treasures is a seduction of the foolish world.
How easily grows consuming ardor,
like rushing and tearing floods upon embankments,
until everything disintegrates and shatters into ruins.)

Die höchste Herrlichkeit und Pracht
Umhüllt zuletzt des Todes Nacht.
Wer gleichsam als ein Gott gesessen,
Entgeht dem Staub und Asche nicht,
Und wenn die letzte Stunde schläget,
Dass man ihn zu der Erde träget,
Und seiner Hoheit Grund zerbricht,
Wird seiner ganz vergessen.

(The highest lordliness and splendor
at last is wrapped Death's night.
Who sets himself up as a God,
does not escape from dust and ashes,
and when the last hour strikes,
he too is carried into the earth,
and his sovereign foundation shatters,
he becomes totally forgotten.)

Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig
Sind der Menschen Sachen!
Alles, alles, was wir sehen,
Das muss fallen und vergehen.
Wer Gott fürcht', bleibt ewig stehen.

(O how fleeting, O how empty
are mankind's things!
Everything and all we behold,
must fall and pass away.
Who fears God stands forever.)

For a listen, try these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfpKvbMT1Bg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy24cNNknU0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qsro88oafY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA4XJlegQtk&feature=related

Anonymous said...

Allow me to get paranoid, but I was just wondering why GW enacted the below order only 4 days before he left office.

I think for some the Obama birth certificate issue is still a nagging pain in the neck and doesn't seem to go away.

Excerpt from the article.

8. January 16, 2009, President George W. Bush enacted an Executive Order providing for, in part, “Reinvestigating Individuals in Positions of Public Trust.” The Order in its entirety is attached hereto for reference as Exhibit “A.”
9. The Order provides in pertinent part that, “It is necessary to reinvestigate individuals in positions of public trust in order to ensure that they remain suitable for continued employment.”

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=805

Anonymous said...

Stay blessed and looking up

Annon

NathanDave said...

Interesting perspective on Obama

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12000

The destruction wrought by GWB is far reaching, and I do not think we have hit rock bottom yet. Obama can do nothing on his own, but the massess that mobilized for change can do it if they are willing to endure hardship. God only knows what will happen.

NathanDave said...

more on this theme:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11999

Intersting, those who say GW was not the man of sin will not take into account the vast destruction that this man and his supporters are responsible for. What forces has he unleashed that cannot be stopped? What has he done to the psyche of the world's poor and vulnerable, and how will they react to a global financial crisis and famine? How will modern Americans and Europeans, conditioned by years of affluence, ease, and extreme selfishness deal with food and energy shortages, massive layoffs, and governmental financial ruin?

More questions. What about the urban poor of America, who have had to endure generations of violence, substandard schools, drug abuse, and family dislocation? How will they react when they see the power that has oppressed them is now literaly bankrupt? Will they invade the suburbs, the bedroom communites that the "elites" have tried to escape to, and crash their gated communites?

Those who are trapped in the left behind mindset, the movie hypnosis of Tim Lahye, will you open your eyes? The war of armageddon is going on RIGHT NOW! It is being waged against the poor, the outcast, the vulnerable, the meek. Rememeber that Jesus said, the meek shall inherit the earth. This is why they are targeted, because the powerful HATE them and seek their destruction and domination, because the Lord is their shepherd.

Look to Gaza. You must feel for them, because if we do not wake up THAT IS OUR FUTURE. Walled cities of poor and oppressed people, controlled and dominated by the wealthy and powerful. This is what the powerful have in mind for YOU. Why do you think the empires of this world, Europe, America, Russia, China, are training their military for URBAN WARFARE? It is for a war agains their own people. Do not believe that they want to fight each other? This is a lie. It is Orwellian in its design. The war is against us all, but especially the poor, the outcast, and the alien.

This financial collapse is not over, not by a long shot. Commercial real estate wil be next. Then the pain may cause people to take to the streets, to struggle against their neighbor, and then finally against those who BELIEVE they can unleash this chaos and contain it: the Money Masters. They are wrong, and they will have much to answer for.

God promised to shorten the time. This may be a direct reference to a shortening of the term of the son of perdition, such as a term limit of the president. Think about it, if the presedential term were 5 years instea dof , or six years, the world may be gone by now.

We must stay vigilant. We must stay awake. We must continue to confront Babylon until she falls, and she has not fallen yet. When she does, it will be our job to offer folks an alternative to violence and vegenance, to offer them a plac ein the company of Zion, the great mountain of God's people which will be gathered to replace Babylon forever.

NathanDave said...

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Sandra said...

Nathandave,

You go brother. What a amazing perspective and I am enjoying reading your views. I have to admit I want the system to fail. I believe the American way of life is selfish and breeds greed. We are a new people with goals of service and helping our fellow man come to the realization of their potential for good works through the grace and love of Jesus. Though the system is falling apart all around us we are steadfast in our love and compassion. To help where we can in our community one small step at a time. To help put out the fires of hate, violence and vengeance through our walk with the Lord. God's Kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven. Not with violence but with love and compassion. People are beginning to understand. I get asked lately what I think of the economy and I tell people this country has to change. Greed and selfishness has to be replaced with service to our fellow man and caring for each other not on accumulating wealth here on earth. So many have been brainwashed to believe having the most material wealth and money makes you a success. In my humble opinion it bankrupts all when we have that mindset. Do as little business with Babylon as you can and get out of debt and live within your means. Come out of her people. Come out and do not be enslaved by her luring seduction of material wealth but instead walk gentle on the earth.

Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

Who do we serve? We know what the prosperity movement serves in so many churches today and it is why they will fall eventually.

Balor1
Thanks for sharing your music and hope you are feeling better.

faithful forever said...

Annon,

What an absolutely great find as only you can do. It's not paranoia if they are really after you! Very, very interesting.

Israel is having elections on February 10th and Netanyahu is expected to win and he is a warhawk like no other. Obama is sending a 'peace' envoy to the Middle East this Wednesday to meet with Abbas. Hamas has given Israel a deadline of today to open the borders.

Before the economic crisis, Icelandic people were found to be the most content people anywhere in the world, but all that has changed and provides a small glimpse into what lies ahead, but I don't see most governments acting the way theirs has; quite the opposite:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1126682/Icelands-senior-minister-resigns-government-global-political-casualty-credit-crunch.html

Ali, That video on Zgibnew was chilling. I knew what a schill he really is, but he went to even new depths. He was in Obama's cabinet even before Rahm was selected and between the two, ended any chance for 'change' from their new puppet.

What a world. But it has brought us together and what a cause to rejoice.

Nathandave, I am enjoying your fire in a big way. Keep shining.

Love to all.

Sandra said...

Annon,
That link you gave was interesting. They will do anything to make the election illegal. I was going through some of the topics on this link and found this link on the Quran.

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?page_id=39

Excerpt from the article below:

"The Quran does not only incite, but also preaches explicit hatred against Christians, Jews and all other non-Muhammadan Muslims (Unbelievers). Will the new legislation protect the majority of the people of this country from the hatred preached by the imams in Britain's over twelve hundred mosques every Friday?"

I am sure Ali will disagree with this blog and he should. This is how some groups instill fear and hate in others.

Anonymous said...

The word CHANGE heard so often these days, is not merely a cute buzzword invented by the Obama PR squad, nor is it just the watchword of this turning point in political history, which even the right wing felt obliged plagiarize. When Angels carry this word daily on their breath, then something truly momentous is about to happen, and a transformation of this world and splitting of human timelines is eminent. Though God sets the stage for change, it is humanity that decides if they shall be part of an ascending timeline by alignment to the Light, or continue the status quo and become allies of Darkness. The Darkness that has infested Earth is more than an inferior spiritual state of mind, it is an actual incursion and intervention by off-world powers seeking to exploit and harvest the rich biological resources of this planet. Firstly, to carry out this dirty deed, Earthly accomplices are needed, willing hands to co-operate and pave the way, and it matters not whether these hands are conscious of or even aware of such co-operation. Secondly, a control mechanism is required, and on Earth money fulfills that role. It hardly needs explaining who the worldly allies of dark off-world empires are, one only needs to look back at the recent elections, and the desperate behavior of the party of the opposition on the right. Is it not remarkable that this party has historically been so intimately connected with the fiscal wealth of this planet? It’s because that is how they sought to exercise control, by forcing everyone to borrow every penny needed to stay alive, and work mindlessly and endlessly to repay the never-ending debts. This way the distractions and daily woes divert the populace from paying attention to an invasion happening right before them! These dark off-world civilizations are far from stupid, they know and study Earth inhabitants in great detail, and are fully aware of all the weaknesses and superstitions. Corrupting religions into ridiculous fairy tales and inconcinnous crap has blinded those living on Earth to their true origins, corruptions the religious right gleefully promulgates and perpetuates. They also know the only way they are permitted to stay is to win over sufficient converts and gain their confidence. This nefarious plan, which was in its final stages, all came crashing down with the election of Obama.

young brother said...

Wow, what a great discussion! I'd like to say that I don't believe Barack Obama is Jesus Christ...Jesus is the head, and will remain in heaven until the enemies of God are placed under his feet (which is a large group of people here on earth, "anointed").

When Jesus, "the one", returns from heaven, there will be no mistaking it.

Barack Obama is under tremendous temptation because of people's adoration of him. He may be seduced away from walking down that narrow path, and become corrupted by the same forces that have been ruling things so far. So far he seems to be resisting. He knows, as we should all know, that we all have to work together in a common sense of purpose if we are to get through the next phase. He calls it the "Era of Responsibility". There will be no one person acting alone to restore the earth...and if we take a look around, the movement is already in motion.

NathanDave, wonderful comments lately, thank you brother! You said in your last comment something that I'd thought about in the past few days:

"God promised to shorten the time. This may be a direct reference to a shortening of the term of the son of perdition, such as a term limit of the president. Think about it, if the presedential term were 5 years instea dof , or six years, the world may be gone by now."

I agree.

To all who post anonymously here, welcome! Thank you for sharing your views and insights. Please create a name to use here so we can identify your words. You don't have to sign in, but if you do what Annon, Balor, and Thomas are doing, it will help a lot. Thanks!

Bless you all. I can't tell you how grateful I am to be a part of this group.

Sandra said...

YB,
I sure did not think you thought Obama was Jesus. It was mocked here that you did but please know the majority of us here never even considered that belief. Glad to see you back posting.

Anonymous said...

This corrupted financial system is already doomed, the final collapse all but a fact. It is certainly not necessary to try and destroy it by force, because all the elements of natural collapse are already embedded in its construction. The fatal flaw is contained in the fact that the capital itself is in the hands of private or corporate hands, and therefore jealously guarded as any personal possession would be. Much of this capital is totally fictitious, existing only as leveraged virtual currency, and enclosed in a cycle of borrowing and repayment. The slightest interruption in this cycle triggers a defensive response, and credit on the output side is instantly withdrawn to protect the main stockpile. Shielding the principal stockpile is paramount because settling the debts of the leveraged currency could wipe it out entirely. Ergo, government bailouts. Since so much of society relies on this flow of capital, to impede or interrupt it will produce a cascade of paralyzing blockages that halt the repayment cycle and cause the system to totally freeze. Furthermore, it is a Ponzi scheme, and needs endless growth to remain viable. In the absence of greed, and the presence of prudent management, such a fragile system might even survive for a considerable length of time. However, the slightest hint of frugality or insolvency on the part of the consumer sends shudders of instability rippling through the system, and if coupled with an epidemic of greed, can crash it and bring even the mightiest financial empire to its knees. Since consumptive or frugal habits are more or less states of mind, a simple worldwide change of heart can drastically alter the financial landscape and with it history as well.

(negative on the name)

Ali said...

Sandra,

You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep and these people are one of the thousands. You can find thousands of sites like these. Their problem is that they never let you read the whole chapter of Quran in which that specific quote has been derived from. They only show you one sentence and they won't let you know, in what circumstance this command has come from God. I feel pity for these people that they still think that Allah and God are different gods. They don't know that Allah is the Arabic title for God in English. I believe they are mocking themselves and only themselves in this planet.

I have found this video. The video creator's message is "question your reality".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj1maFAwtt8

FF,

My sister, don't you think our friends in FOX have been using lots of sugar for their tea? ;) -->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LPQKHlfZrU

And I couldn't stop sending this.
Just recent video from a friend of mine in Tehran...Oh! I love it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8pvPYoneT8

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Sandra said...

Ali,
That was the blog that Annon linked to on the suit filed against Obama on his birth certificate. They want to stir up division and hate.. They use lies and prejudice to feed into people who are gullible to that type of division. Pity them but keep a watch on them because they do want to do harm to all who oppose their beliefs.

faithful forever said...

Texas is experiencing wildfires that threaten extensively because of the extreme dryness. France and Spain were experiencing hurricane winds of 150-187 mph, knocking out power to millions.

Iraq will also be having national elections next Saturday. It is hard to believe that it has been three years since the Iraqi people had their thumbs stained for 'democracy.'

Anonymous (negative on the name), I would love to hear your thoughts on 'a simple worldwide change of heart' that would change the world. It's great having you here and I hope you can stick around. Do you see the current world condition from a Biblical perspective, if you don't mind the askin'. What's in a name? It just causes less confusion. Can I call you 'no name?' Welcome.

YB, the thought never entered my mind. Love you brother.

Sandra, shine on. I love witnessing your testimony.

Greetings my brother Ali, we were posting at the same time (cool!)and I just seen yours and can't wait to check out the links. Thanks for all you do and the blessings you bring.

Love and prayers to all.

Sandra said...

FF,
Good idea. Annoyomous since you do not want to identify yourself just write at the end "No Name" or "negative on the name" and we will know it comes from you. Annoyomous come and go on this site and it just would be less confusing to know the article came from you and not another annoyomous. Just a suggestion and I too enjoy your insight.

Anonymous said...

Is Kuwait smelling the sulphure?

Remember that news leak from a Kuwait government spokesman last year that Cheney had visited the country and advised its government to initiate plans for an emergency clean-up of nuclear radiation? This was taken by some as a signal that Israel and the USA were going to attack Iran's nuclear reactor.

The plans seem to still on, it seems, after Obama talks to Iran and the talks stall, things might turn nasty.

Being surrounded by some hawkish figures, I don't think Obama can change the mind of the Ayatollahs.

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/01/23/Kuwait_orders_nuclear_emergency_pills/UPI-27511232728358/

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Anonymous said...

....and I just heard AP reporting that Iran's state television says the country has successfully test-fired a heat-seeking air-to-air missile. True, this might be a routin excersie, but the timing when the Us Navy is rodered to hunt down Iranian ship, makes you wonder where are things heading to.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058484.html

Stay blessed and keep looking up

Annon

Anonymous said...

Is Barack Obama a natural born American? Was George Bush ever actually the legal president? Just as Mr. Bush cannot in all truth answer the second question, neither can Mr. Obama answer the first. The truth is out there, but no one on Earth has access to it. One needs to press through a forest of hypotheticals in order to even begin to understand why this question is relevant. The eleventh hour Executive Order by Mr. Bush to enable re-investigation of suitability of government employees, may seem shrewd, petty, pointless and even vindictive, but the key word here is necessary. Not that it has the slightest chance of spoiling the results of this election, but because it is a required step in the administration of Universal Justice. Mr. Bush presided over the most massive failure of high level public service in a civilized nation in modern history, bringing the nation as well as the entire planet to the brink of destruction. Many factors contributed to this failure, the most obvious being incompetence, arrogance and dishonesty. Of course the complete list is a great deal longer, but these would simply be more descriptors of human foibles, all of which can be forgiven. The constitution does not require the president to be either honest or capable, simply duly elected. Treachery may be the biggest offence, which is dealt with in the constitution. If we exclude tough love as a motivation, then clearly the Bush era was characterized by a total lack of providence, though he did feign some religious devotion early on. He could, hypothetically, claim he as unsupported by the benign powers because he was not duly elected, and cast his failures upon a spiteful god. The fact that he absconded with a position due a better man, was unprepared, consulted only himself and ignored all polls, would then be immaterial. Suddenly, Obama appears, seemingly starting out with every conceivable disadvantage, poor, half breed, parents long gone by separation and death, constantly uprooted surrogate family, living in one of the least developed nations, a successful self made man who hits the scene driving a 10 year old car. Obama who by every indication will become a political superstar, a modern Lincoln, inherits the most disastrous set of conditions imaginable. Even the market is 2000 points lower than when Bush took office! Imagine for a moment that he manages to recover this great nation from the edge of the abyss, and actually reforms it. What arguments would the dark have then? Is anyone going to care if he was duly elected? It may be the better part of discretion to let this sleeping dog lie…but since they are kind enough to bring it up themselves…the dark may be letting the wind out of the only sail they have.

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young brother said...

To the Anonymous who wrote the quote below, I must say, you have a real talent with words. You summarized the real impact of the Bush administration in a truly gifted way. I would be honored if you joined this blog as a co-author. While I am doing most of the posting here lately, several members of our group have co-authorship status, and can write their own posts at any time. You already bring a very good perspective in the comments, and if you would like to become a fellow author, send me your name and email address to dyingplanet@gmail.com I will quote your entire comment below to identify you:

"Was George Bush the Antichrist? He certainly was no child of the Light. Everything he touched was ruined, his every act destructive, he embodied every principle deplored by the better aspirations of mankind, while exhibiting every Hobbesian characteristic known to man. But what’s in a name? If the shoe fits…! Though he is now reviled, despised and run out of town, his contribution to the advancement of this planet should not be so quickly overlooked. Of course, nothing this petulant, spoiled little mamma’s boy did was itself of any value whatsoever, and will be undone as fast and swift as Mr. Obama can wield his pen, yet he gave the planet the greatest gift of all, unity. Not that this was even remotely his intention, in fact the opposite is true, he attempted to traitorously sell out mankind to the highest bidder, both spiritually and physically. Unconsciously he became the mirror of one’s darker side, and in retrospect many will suddenly see the path they were on, and happily the path not taken. He performed a great service, not necessarily one deserving a reward, but certainly he now needs all the healing energy that this new age of goodwill can project his way."

Dan +†+ said...

Hamas using UN ambulances as troop carriers

Anonymous said...

FF,

Your brother is ready to shout from the roof top with you!

This too is another kind of heatwave from Australia.

This guy at a press conference, and immediately after dropping the bomb, tells them to knock off the camera. Interesting times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cznZs-swR9k&eurl=

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

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