Friday, November 21, 2008

Romans 13 in the news: Manipulation and Manifestation.



The above video is at least a year old, but it's a chilling expose' of Bush's Department of Homeland Security approaching clergymen across the country, and training them to use their propaganda, mixed with Romans 13 as a way to pacify their congregations in the event of Martial Law. The preachers are being prepared to minimize dissent by painting any declaration of Martial Law, for any reason, to be the action of God's appointed leader, whom they should trust.

This is one of many warning signs that the Bush administration fully plans to still be in power when the nation descends into a new level of chaos, and that they have no problem with exploiting God and Christ to obtain their empirical goals. The "Posse Comitatus" law, mentioned in the video, which strictly forbids US troops from policing American streets has been recently undone, by the deployment of a brigade of troops who are fresh out of the Iraq war-zone to a military base in Georgia...their mission objectives are explicitly to put a lid on domestic dissent "just in case" there is a reason for martial law to be declared. Troops were sent to New Orleans after Katrina, and local police forcefully removed guns from citizens, including an old woman, that was tackled by a 250lb police officer. Strange policing actions also took place from the military and local police during the disastrous floods in the Mississippi region this summer.

These are localized practice-runs for a national transformation to martial law. Law Enforcement and Military are both working to train their people to disarm and consider all citizens to be potential enemies of the state. That's the sort of mentality they had in communist Russia. This is all very real, and painfully close. Annon recently shared this mp3 link to a very interesting radio broadcast from John Stadtmiller that paints an eerily possible picture of what could happen between now and the inauguration. It's well worth a listen, if you haven't heard it yet, you can come back to read the rest.

The problem we face, of course, is the fact that Romans 13 seems to support the idea of Christians submitting to ruling kings and governments without exception. Is that really the case, or is there something deeper going on?

Romans 13:1-5
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
By isolating the first 5 verses of this chapter, clergy can advise submission to even the most despotic, and lawless of "rulers". Logic would suggest that only the cunning and deceptive minds of despotic rulers would think to use this passage as a way to pacify the masses. When we are interpreting scripture, it is always important for us to remember context. This is not limited to a chapter, or a book, but the entirety of Scriptures works together to preach one great message. There are paradoxes littered throughout, but no real contradictions. That statement is much easier said than learned, but it is true.

It must be established that our allegiance is to God first, and then to the "ruling authorities" that God has sanctioned. If our earthly leaders are in defiance to God, we must stand strong in the light that has been given to us by Christ, and be prepared to die, if necessary, for the sake of our faith. There is no compromise to that order of authority. When we are told to serve our earthly leaders (or ourselves, or anything) above our heavenly king, we are being lied to by a very old, very sinister fallen angel who twists scriptures to promote his own agenda.

In the desert, when he tempted Christ, the Devil offered to give Jesus dominion over all the kingdoms of the world, if Christ would only bow before him. This temptation demonstrates his ultimate desire to divert people's worship of God. I have no doubt that Lucifer was whispering into the minds of the mob that judged Jesus. John 19:15 reveals this twisted reasoning:

(The mob) shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!"
"Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked.
"We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered.
Romans 13, then is a very dangerous passage, if and when it is misinterpreted.

Verse 1 says that "every soul must be subject to the governing authorities", which implies that if a leader does not honor the laws that he has sworn to uphold, that leader is in violation to Romans 13. Only people who violate the law have any reason to fear the law. The Antichrist is described in scripture as being a very boastful, strong and fierce leader who "seeks to change the times and laws" in Daniel 7:25. He is called "The Lawless one" in several other prophetic references. The fact remains on display, that while Bush swore to uphold the constitution on inauguration day, he has actually moved in strong, strident steps to dismantle that constitution (which is the "governing authority" that is above him). Our rights and liberties have been stolen right before our very eyes. Sainthood: the compulsion to love your neighbors and to love your enemies, is now illegal according to the Patriot Act.

I see the constitution as something that God has sanctioned, because the heart of this governing document is wise, and just and fair.

The severe partisanship of the religious right, on the other hand, is not very fair. Think about this: Were leaders of the religious right citing Romans 13 in defense of Bill Clinton? Most pastors actually encouraged people's loathing of Clinton...whipping them up to a partisan frenzy that helped deliver the 2000, and 2004 presidential elections to George Bush. There is a massive anti-government, anti-tax sentiment that partially defines the religious right, and this sentiment runs completely contrary to Roman's 13, not just in verses 1-5, but the entire chapter.

Romans 13:6-7
For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
I believe that Paul is actually warning us not to engage in violent resistance to tyranny, for he knew that the Christians in Rome, and true followers of Christ in the future would be persecuted without cause, just as Jesus was. That persecution can stand as a testimony, as long as we remain blameless, refraining from any evil, even in our resistance to tyranny. This principle was Echoed by the apostle Peter, in the other, oft-interpreted teaching from 2 Peter 2:13-25.

We are commanded to "Bless those that curse us, bless and do not curse". Paul also taught, "Do not confront evil with evil, but overcome evil with good". That is one of the ultimate expressions of self denial. I don't think any of us would have the strength or the will to behave that way without the spirit of Christ within us. But we can do all things through Christ, who strengthens us.

Dick Chaney is on the receiving end of that sword wielded by the governing authority of the law of the land. In the past three days, he was indicted in a tiny Texas town. This is a time of consequences, a time to pay the piper. The problem is, the Bush Administration is very dangerous, especially when cornered. Justice will be served, if not sooner, certainly later...(and not much later at that).



Romans 13:8-14
Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

48 comments:

Sandra said...

YB,

What enlightenment in this writing and so true. You have been given a special gift of insight.

"Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law". That is the fulfillment of the law and it does take into account all of the commandments. I have been preaching that for years and believe it with all my heart. Jesus came to fulfill the law and to show us how easy it is to follow the law of God. To Love God and your neighbor is to fulfill all the commandments. You would not lie, steal, commit adultery, false witness etc if you love God and your neighbor. Respect and love for our neighbor and to be a guiding light of truth. If the whole world followed it there would be no wars and man would live in peace. That will not happen until the Lord comes back because conquering of land and wealth is what all of mankind is interested in acquiring. The world has followed the deception of mammoth and not in love of God.

I also think that the pastors will rise up against Obama as they did Clinton in the churches if he is allowed to be President. Roman 13 will be out the window to them and they will be preaching a different sermon to justify their opposition to Obama. Some are already saying it is a sin to have voted for Obama. Just as the church supported Nazi Germany during the holocaust the pastors in America have supported the lawless one during the eight years of Bush. Below is a link to the support that was given against the Jews and support for Hitler.

http://liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/RC_scandal-2.html

If the stock market does crash we will see all hell break loose and we need to be prepared. That might be when they issue martial law or it could be if Israel does something stupid like bomb Iran. We need to stay awake to the signs and prepare for what comes. Since this administration gets it strength from disasters we need to be watchful.

God Bless

faithful forever said...

It does just keep getting better and better young brother; God is raising His people up and your testimony is evidence of that.

The stock market is faltering vastly again today and surely it will not be long before they implement their satanic NWO. It is only a matter of time and I too believe that it will be sooner rather than later. We can only take it as it comes and God will guide us every step of the way.

The Iraqis are up in arms and burning efigys of Bush with the new 'security pact' that just got approved, which is stranger than ever. It allows our troops to be held accountable and tried in Iraqi courts and enables the puppet administration to read our troops' incoming and outgoing mail...whatever it took to make sure we occupy their country for the next three years. Heavy sigh. There is nothing new under the sun, but everyday the Lord draws nearer in each and every one of His people.

Love and blessings always.

young brother said...

Thank you very much for your kind words, both of you. Your testimonies are every bit as much of a blessing for me, as mine may be for you...but that's what the body is all about...how good our God is.

The stock market volatility is amazing to watch. The end is near. I hadn't heard about the Bush security bill. Would you mind sharing a link, FF?

Sandra, It's good to hear that you have been preaching that, and wonderful that we can leave it to Paul to express best what is impressed upon our hearts. Romans 13 is a fascinating chapter.
Think about it: the first 5 verses are being used to encourage mindless submission and blind faith, and yet the entire second half of that same chapter (verses 8-14) is an appeal for Christians to awaken from their slumber, and be vigilant against taking part of dark deeds...Only the scriptures behave that way.

I agree with you about Obama. It's nice to be in the homestretch with Bush. I really believe that he won't leave office. To be proven wrong about that would be a tremendous burden lifted off of my shoulders...but yet it looks more and more as if preparations are being made for a takeover. Our God is our strength no matter what we may face. If things get rough, just remember that he made bread rain down from heaven before...He can certainly do it again (as long as we believe, and it is in His will).

We're all in for a bumpy ride.

faithful forever said...

What an exciting time to be alive and to witness this miraculous event that is certainly approaching while the whole world breaths a collective sigh of relief at the false promise of less war and more peace while it is more war with more death and destruction in both the real world and the spiritual world; the final battle...imagine, the final battle ever, forever and ever - peace in Heaven and on Earth. This is our true peace and security. Our God will see us to it...this is our faith.

Yes, a bumpy ride indeed as hell breaks loose here on the Earth and we set our hearts and minds on Heaven breaking loose. Through our God we are more powerful than he who is in this world and keep calling on the name of Jesus always. All thanks and praise to the Almighty One, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. May He come sooner rather than later as well; as He will because ALL His ways as well as the timings of all His ways are perfect.

The detention of pro-Palestinian activist(s) may be something, or not, but it does make me wonder how and why we get to talk to one from an Israeli jail:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/21/us_activist_detained_in_israeli_jail

Came across a good site and wanted to share it with y'all; hope you enjoy it:

http://bibleprophecy.net/bibleinterp.htm

YB, I enjoyed the sermon you posted even though I have only gotten to hear the first one and I was blessed by his wisdom that he reminded us the way to the Lord is open, but it is narrow also - a frequently overlooked fact.

Here is a link to INN World Report where I heard some details about the new security pact with Iraq along with some other good articles:

http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/
Love and prayers.

It is a joy beyond measure to be among His people here and I would stay here all day if I only could.

I am simply more and more amazed and in awe of our God and everything...especially His people and absolutely loving every single second watching His flock work and come together.

Many, many thanks for all the blessings from each of you...this journey and sharing it, well, nothing else matters as much - and even more so of late, and the fellowship has made me wealthy beyond measure.

Many prayers with all my love.

Ali said...

My brothers and sisters,

Check out these beauties:

http://www.pbase.com/k_amj/throughout_iran&page=all

Keep the faith,
Ali.

faithful forever said...

I am having a problem with the INN World Report link and cannot find a good one on the new pact without it. Maybe you can get it: www.innworldreport.net. Here is one about Iraqis demanding immediate withdrawal:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq;_ylt=Ap2PRupDHEitM_ncCqBCkg1vaA8F

faithful forever said...

Beauties indeed, Ali. That was a real treat and probably as close as I will ever get to Iran. Thank you my brother. It is a beautiful land with more culture and history than most as it was the cradle of civilization. How fitting that it would be more beautiful than I would have imagined it to be.

Love and blessings in Jesus' name.

Anonymous said...

FF

Its amazing you mentioned that it allows our troops to be held accountable and tried in Iraqi courts.... This indeed reminds me of the old saying: "sending the dog to grazing and the donkey to the lounge". Its just sickenning to see there is no end to they lies and hypocricy. They should have been accountable for all the mess they created in the world instead of the traumatized soldiers who have no choice but to obey.

I came across this video and thought that I should share with you.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon


http://www.gofish.com/player.gfp?gfid=30-1132215

faithful forever said...

Incredible find with that video Annon; I don't know how you do it, but I am very glad you do. Keep up the good work and thanks for all your efforts that are greatly appreciated.

I still cannot access the INN World Report site, but I found this one at Information Clearing House although not as detailed or up to date:

Excerpts:
The pact also states that US forces will need Iraqi warrants to carry out arrests and US contractors will be subjected to Iraqi law.

However, there is still uncertainty over who will have jurisdiction over US troops who are believed to have committed crimes on Iraqi soil. The issue has been a major sticking point in previous debates over the pact.

The whole article:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/11/2008112192922854370.html

Peace to all.

faithful forever said...

A complete copy of the pact although it is just a draft:

http://publicservice.evendon.com/SOFA-13Aug2008M.htm

I have even tried different search engines and cannot access INN World Report - how annoying.

Sandra said...

Ali,
Beautiful pictures and it gives such peace during these times of turmoil. Thank you.

It was good to see the Muslim community come out against the attacks on Obama from Ayman al-Zawahiri:

Excerpt from the link below:
"As Muslims and as Americans, we will never let terrorist groups or terror leaders falsely claim to represent us or our faith," the statement said. "We once again repudiate al Qaeda's actions, rhetoric and world view and re-state our condemnation of all forms of terrorism and religious extremism."

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/11/21/obama.muslim.remark/


YB,

During campaigning the republicans used Joe the Plumber as their mascot. He owes back taxes but they did not bring that up nor did they tell their supporters that he wants to do away with Social Security. I wonder how some of the elders in their crowd would have reacted if he would have said at their rallies "Let's do away with Social Security. Throughout time people have not wanted to pay taxes but Jesus said to pay to Caesar what is Caesar and to God what is God. In Romans 13 Paul states if "you owe taxes pay taxes" but throughout the campaign both John McCain and Sarah Palin told their supporters that imposing taxes on each according to their ability was socialism. In reality when you read the teachings of Jesus you will see that Jesus was more of a socialist than those religious right supporters want to acknowledge. Jesus in no way was supporting exploiting your fellow man for personal gain which is the root of a capitalist society. Of course true socialism will not come until Jesus comes back because even in countries that have a so-called socialist society there is corruption. It has to do with the evil within man for power. "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Both Republicans and Democrats gave too much power to Bush during his 8 years in office. They also fell for the lie on the bailout.

That is why we do need to be on guard against false worship of a mere man as was done with George Bush Jr. He was able to do such evil because the churches believed he was a messenger of God and never questioned any of his actions. The same goes for Obama. We need to hold him accountable when he does wrong and not to idealize him. Put your faith and hope in "the one" who will never let you down because his teachings are for all time. Jesus is the answer for this troubled world. Not the one taught in so many churches which is a false teaching but the one in the Holy Bible.

I have to confess that there is a part of me that wants this corrupt financial system to fail. I know it will hurt economically a lot of people but people but their faith in the wrong place and when if not now as Christians do we finally say "enough is enough".

Come quickly Lord Jesus

God Bless

Sandra said...

Opps....typo last sentence should read "I know it will hurt a lot of people but people put their faith in the wrong place and when if not now as Christians do we finally say "enough is enough."

faithful forever said...

The article says it is an end to contractors' immunity, but I was almost positive that on the show the reporter said soldier's immunity as well but I could be mistaken. This does not mention that the Iraqi govt can also read their mail. This is the best I could do:

http://news.antiwar.com/2008/11/20/iraq-pact-spells-end-to-contractors-immunity/

The Gaza is on fire, and Georgia is said to be building its troops up again.

One day at a time.

Love to all.

faithful forever said...

And I wanted to mention that the pact is scheduled to be voted on this Wednesday, and Al Sadr's side is certainly not happy with the agreement.

faithful forever said...

Sandra wrote: I have to confess that there is a part of me that wants this corrupt financial system to fail. I know it will hurt economically a lot of people but people put their faith in the wrong place and when if not now as Christians do we finally say "enough is enough".

As young brother said, a determinist - determined to see it go down, and the Psalmist in 8:19 said, "Arise, O Lord; let not man prevail; let the heathen be judged in thy site."

How can we not desire His ways over the wicked and unjust ways of this world. This world is wearying enough all by itself. Add in the desolation (no faith in God) and it can't be anything other than the disaster it is and has been for a very long time. He has set us free from the chains that bind - believing the lies that keep you from truth. We are the outcasts, the peculiar ones. How blessed are we!

Praise God for taking us out of it even while we are having to struggle in it. For without the hope and our faith in the Lord that will sustain us and help us to endure the trials and tribulations, we would be as lost as the rest of the world. It is hard to reach, and live in a world that is lost but does not even know it is lost, or even care to notice.

Once again, the Lord is coming to change everything. Amen.

Anonymous said...

The Somali pirates have guts to offer purchasing citigroup. But, the message they are conveying seems to me that citigroup is no different from them.

Scroll down a bit from the article below.

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6546

Interesting times to live in.

Stay blessed

Annon

Ali said...

FF, Sandra
Your very very welcome. Glad you liked the gallery.

Annon,
How real is that Citigroup story cuz it sounds humorous to me.

Iranian government has sent a message to Israel's recent activities:
http://www1.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5731

Keep the faith,
Ali

Ali said...

You might have watched this, but its one of a kind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFz9p_IpafA

Keep the faith,
Ali,

young brother said...

Arg, Matey! Methinks the pirate article above be a hoax. Tis too humorous to be true, it tis.
However, the 9-11 NWO Nazi video further up is another good take on what's been happening. Ye do have a knack for treasure, Annon!

FF, Your allegiance to the coming order under Christ serves you well. The challenge we face is in properly explaining to others why waiting and working for the kingdom of God is so much better that relying and hoping on the kingdoms of men. We may be outnumbered, but the foundation we've been planted on is much stronger than the one that's currently crumbling. People's hopes are being dashed to pieces. It is when they are broken that they will be receptive to the Gospel of the kingdom. Paul taught a very wise strategy for us to follow: Romans 12:14-15

"Bless them which persecute you, bless and curse not. Rejoice with them that rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to those of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits."

This advice has been largely ignored by the mainstream church, and they are suffering because of that. This moment is our chance to spread a gospel that has been disregarded...that is the gospel of the kingdom...which is our charge. The only way we can effectively share that gospel, the only way people will open up to receive it, is if we follow the advice above. But how much it will spread when we do!

I'm glad you had the chance to listen to AW Tozier's sermon about "Accepting Christ". I always felt that the "Accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior" line was misleading. It is a real blessing to have one of the most highly respected Christians of the 20th century speak about this with such a powerful anointing.

Here are the links again:

Accepting Christ part 1

Accepting Christ part 2

Also, if you get through these and want some more (because it's Sunday), I would strongly recommend listening to his sermon about being filled by the Spirit. It's called "The Path to Power and Usefulness".


Ali, thank you for sharing the pictures...Here in the states we imagine that the entire middle eastern region is desert...the true beauty is amazing.

Sandra, Amen Sister! I emphatically agree with what you said. I don't know what else to say, but wow.

Anonymous said...

Guys,
The pirate article is a hoax but it has conveyed a good message to finanacial institutions that they are also robbers in a broad day.

Stay blessed

Annon

Sandra said...

Ali,
That was definitely a hoax from Annon on the pirates buying Citigroup. The pirates in this country are the government taking from the taxpayers to bail out all their friends on Wall street. The one you gave the link to on bombing Iran is sad because people do use that song mocking Iran like John McCain did. After seeing your beautiful pictures of your country it is even more unsettling. Is that you that put those pictures of your beautiful country on the web?

FF,
I too want to thank you for your diligent pursuit to remind us all to always focus our faith in the right place. Not in this worldly corrupt system but in the Kingdom to come. This system will pass and we need to be rooted in our Father through Jesus Christ.

YB,
Thank you for your encouragement. I was afraid after I wrote that about a socialist society that people would get the wrong idea and think I was promoting the socialist system in the world today. Nothing could be further from my belief. Jesus promoted communities and caring. In Jesus' kingdom we will all come together and give freely of our talents that God gave to each of us and there will be no dead weights or exploiters. No sickness, poverty or ego for we will all be one in body and spirit.

Annon,
Yes it was a hoax but the pirates of our government did a number on all of us with the bailout.



Love to all

Anonymous said...

It all ties toghether.....

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/us_government/news.php?q=1227459798

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/11/22/lyndon-larouches-november-22nd-warning-british-will-attempt-.html

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

Ali said...

Sandra,

Thanks to you now I get the joke behind that story. To me its similar with Islamic republic then:

Those who were busy in profitable munition and weaponry deals during Iran-Iraq war (like Iran Contra Scandal, I guess you know about it) at the present time are drumming for another war with Israel too. Instead of spending the budget in development of our country, fighting poverty and expanding education they put the money in their pockets, pretending defending nation of Islam. Listen! Islam does not need Islamic Republic of Iran to survive, Islam is a religion by God and its protector is God himself. These clergies are claiming that they are hands of God and God's practices are alive because of them. I have something for them: B S.

Keep the faith,
Ali.

faithful forever said...

Greetings and holy kisses to all,

There is so much going on it is hard to know where to begin. To come here and be among you is a joy that I give many thanks for.

Our society has sunk to a new low with the news of a Florida teenager being taunted to commit suicide on video to which he most unfortunately complied. It doesn't get much worse than this. I am at a loss for words.

Hundreds in Alberta, Canada witnessed what is believed to have been a meteor light up the sky recently.

Iran has killed an Israeli spy which can't be too good for the rising tensions; the Kurds have received a shipment of arms (so the story went); and the Gaza strip, well the Gaza strip is such an atrocity like the Congo that it makes you lose your breath when you think about the suffering. And as Sandra has pointed out, most Americans are concerned about the economy and the stock market, even still among the ensuing chaos we cannot get past ourselves because we are the best and most important people in the world.

The article about Cheney and Gonzales' indictment is a little ray of hope just because it is truth finally being discussed, but it is a little too little and a little too late. It is interesting that it is tied to charges about the Kennedy assassination - right around the anniversary. ~They~ us every angle for more deception so people don't know what is real and what is not. Confusion is rampant and the world is on edge. I had a passing thought that Thanksgiving Day might be a choice day because you know how the terrorists hate our freedoms, and we're giving thanks to the Lord for blessings with our families. After all, look how many weddings and funerals they have targeted and bombed in Iraq. We really need to be prepared for anything as the destruction comes sudden. I say this not to bring fear but to remain prayerful more than ever. We honor Him by not being fearful or shaken in our spirit. For these things have to come to pass as it is written.

Sandra and young brother...I know how you guys feel because it is the same way you guys affect me with your testimonies of our faith, and your words are as a gift that I am not deserving of, but I am deeply touched and strengthened by the edification. All praise to the Lord our God for this safe haven where we come together in undying love for Jesus.

How blessed we truly are to have each other in our community of faith (love ya Ali).

Keep looking up.

faithful forever said...

And they are always thickening their plot with every passing day:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27874735

yb, whenever you get the chance, please check your email. Balor wants an invitation to contribute. Thanks.

Love and peace to all.

Anonymous said...

Off topic

YB, as you have done a lot of research on this issue, just wondering what your thoughts might be regarding this video link. I can't help it but I've come across or read about many people beyond the normal human nature that the manifestation of evil in them is one can not comprhend. Your feed back is highly appreciated.

http://2012-comet.com/?page_id=23

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

Anonymous said...

Off topic

YB, as you have done a lot of research on this issue, just wondering what your thoughts might be regarding this video link. I can't help it but I've come across or read about many people beyond the normal human nature that the manifestation of evil in them is one can not comprhend. Your feed back is highly appreciated.

http://2012-comet.com/?page_id=23

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

For all conspiracy nuts:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/3477148/The-greatest-conspiracy-theories-in-history.html?image=29

Anonymous said...

"Decline and break up of US"

A good read
http://en.rian.ru/world/20081124/118512713.html

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

Iran is threatening military action against the pirates in Somalia; Obama wants to surge Afghanistan with 20,000 troops in 12-16 months; and Bush is 'asking' Obama for help with the economy...can things get any worse. Don't answer that. Obama is being given an unprecedented amount of recognition and autority than of any other president elect. It just gets stranger every day.

And then there's the Gaza. Hamas is condemning other Arab nations for their silence, and Orthodox Jews speak out against Zionism:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/Urgent%20Statement%20From%20Neturei%20Karta%20Palestine.pdf

Stay blessed and keep looking up (love ya Annon).

Love to all.

Sandra said...

Ali,
It is wonderful to read your testimony to your faith. It is so true that we have awaken and are no longer manipulated by those within the clergy that stir the people up to believe that war is the answer. God will see his people through the manipulation. I have stopped listening to those preachers in this country that believe God is on our side. God wants all to live in peace and it will never happen when those in control are into it for property, greed and control. Your Qur'an teaches about Jesus and I would never have know that if you had not posted your Holy Scripture. "They" the religious right do not want the people in this country to know that.

Annon,

I was told that the truth on John Kennedy's assassination would not come out until all in that era were dead because the people would up rise knowing it was this government that did it. Your link shows that Kennedy was killed by this government. I watched the video before and never saw how the secret service were told to back off and the confusion of the Secret Service men displayed on camera who were there to protect him. They left him vulnerable. It was all planned and it makes me sick. Your second link about Obama being in danger I believe is true. He is appointing people that could very well be his enemies and if he does not go their way he might follow in the same faith as Kennedy. He might follow this advice: Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. The Secret Service says there has been more threats on Obama than is normal for a president-elect. I don't get into the UFO controversy so I can't help you there. Hopefully YB will be able to answer your questions on that.

Well looks like Paulson is giving money to buy up toxin loans. After saying last week it was not going to happen. I don't think they know what is going to work so throwing money everywhere.

FF,
Your last link was very encouraging to know there are orthodox Jews that are standing up and saying Enough! Quote from your link:

"It is time for leaders with a sense of morality and courage to stand up and finally declare ENOUGH
IS ENOUGH!! The State of Israel must no long be granted a blank check to commit crimes!
This wicked rogue ethnocratic state must be dismantled and the rights of the Palestinians restored!"

It is time for all men and women of faith to stand our ground and say ENOUGH of the bloodshed. We are children of God and we are tired of the violence for power, greed and property. ENOUGH!!!

Love to all

faithful forever said...

Sandra, you are always a ray of sunshine and I just love that about you. I thought about you again when I seen that the Orthodox Jews are saying, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

The people in Iceland are protesting and storming the police stations in retaliation for the financial raping of their country. I am not condoning or recommending their behavior at all, merely admiring their making a stand together. One day we will do the same, just for a different reason. One day...

Annon, I know Peter and Young Brother have written about the Nephilim that you are inquiring about, but I could not find an article right off. Hopefully one of them will be around soon to provide that for you.

What I can tell you about the Nephilim in my limited understanding, and it is a very hard concept to grasp, so be patient with yourself...is that fallen angels (evil spirits) have mixed with human life as they did in Sodom and Gomorrah days, and corrupted so tremendously that God destroyed both cities with literal fire and brimstone. Lot's wife was destroyed not just for looking back when commanded not to, but actually for not wanting to let go of that lifestyle that she had grown accustomed to.

Some refer to them as reptiles because of the symbolism to the serpent in the garden and because they are cold blooded with no conscience, and they dwell among us in human form but are not fully human.

I have come to believe that it is ~them~ that are perpetrating the lies of the UFOs to someday further their agenda. Aliens are not Biblical, therefore, we are left to surmise that there is something else going on. Seeing how many people have had 'experiences' that cannot be dismissed, the mind control and experimentation has continued in their quest for dominance. From people being abducted to seeing their practiced (possible) hologram technology in the skies, it is part of ~their~ program.

That is just my take on it in an attempt to understand that which we cannot really grasp because of the depravity involved in their evil deeds which know no boundaries.

Oh yes, come Lord Jesus, come quickly.

Love and prayers.

Sandra said...

FF,
I am wondering if that is why there are some that we can not get through to and the bible verse below lets us be aware that those that do evil will continue until the coming of the Lord. No about of love and compassion will get through to them because they don't even realize they are doing wrong in their thinking and see others as having to comply with their wishes and demands.

Revelations 22:10 - 22:13

Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near. Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

God Bless

faithful forever said...

Sandra,

As the Lord says, they have already been judged. These most certainly have to be fallen angels inhabiting earthly bodies.

The world seems to have three main groups of people in the spiritual sense; the wicked (the ones who have been judged already - satan and his minions), the lost and the found.

This is just one of the reasons why it is such an exciting time - to see the light overtake the darkness, to have lies replaced with truth, to have all things revealed.

Kennedy's death was significant and that is why it is being discussed again. He was killed for not going along with the program; he'd rather have them exposed. I often thought he shouldn't have warned them, but here we are and I'm sure they would have gotten him sooner or later - it was just sooner and at least he got to warn us before they killed him. Evil won that day JFK was killed and has been thriving with every president since then, just to varying degrees.

If two or more of us bear witness and agree, this is how we know it to be truth.

Beautiful verses Sandra, and my sister who I love, may He continue to make His face shine on you.

This is why the evil spirits are so so angry - the Lord is done with them and they are so miserable they want to take as many down as they can and they don't care what they have to do to accomplish their ends. We have only a small concept of the deception of pure evil and how deep it runs, and I much prefer it that way.

Show me the Light! For we are only truly happy when we are connected to our Creator, not our destroyer.

Gotta catch the radio show.

So much to say; so little time.

But lots of love.

faithful forever said...

Annon, came across this and thought of our discussion and wanted to share it with you. ~They~ seem like they want us to believe in UFO's and that alone makes me skeptical, but then they also try to fake like they are hiding something and usually when they are really hiding something, they make up an official lie and they haven't done this regarding UFOs.

I hope you enjoy:

http://news.aol.com/article/pilot-talks-about-possible-ufo-encounter/259991

Great radio show! Shout for joy and praise the Lord: Janice is one of us.

Cynthia McKinney denied boarding a plane out of Georgia to give a Humanitarian speech in Demasacus, and Jimmy Carter denied entry into Zimbabwee (sp?). It sounds even more desperate there with a reportedly widespread cholera outbreak. Heavy sigh.

But rejoice for the love and blessings we have in our lives today, right here and now.

Ali said...

To all my brothers and sisters,
The center of the evil-doing is to invest the "others" with its terror. We know that the issue of "Alien" (which is an evils' invention) is there to champion evil's causes and to galvanize their rampant ideology. Evil must have an enemy: an evil 'foreign other' !! It is their hoax, because "His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth" :

In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

"...Thus does God, the Mighty, the Wise, reveal to you, and (thus He revealed) to those before you. His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth, and He is the High, the Great. The heavens may almost rend asunder from above them and the angels sing the praise of their Lord and ask forgiveness for those on earth; now surely God is the Forgiving, the Merciful. And (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, God watches over them, and you have not charge over them..."
-Quran (42: 3-6)

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ali said...

Sandra, FF,

AliensRus ! This is exactly what "they" want to achieve, Alienating humans from each others. They are the enemy of the humanity as the evil is the enemy of humanity too and they've been successful somehow But our God is the Greatest.

Keep the faith,
Ali.

faithful forever said...

...and this is how we know it is truth.

The harmony of truth is the most powerful connection and such a joy to behold.

Beautiful verses Ali. "God watches over them," indeed, and this is a promise from our Lord and all His words are true and mighty and this comforts tremendously because without Him we are nothing, but we can be anything with Him.

Love and blessings to all.

Anonymous said...

...and to make mattters worse a Russian Mayor was killed in the troubled region days after a shot was fired at the Polish Prime Minister and Georgia's president. And Georgia seems to be inviting more trouble even after a crashing blow from the Russians a few months ago.
Rumours of war are not really rumours any more as blood is already flowing in every corner of the earth. It is not the usual gut feeling, but I sense the baloon of sudden destruction is in the air and about to burst. Confusion has already took captives of multitudes. The dark forces are busier than ever. If there is a time to watch every single moment, it is now.

Stay blessed and keep watching.

Annon

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iJerxsZKBhuRNYLZCouS3V3z5bdg

faithful forever said...

But don't let your spirit be troubled, Annon. The dark forces are indeed busier than ever for they know their time is growing short. And since their time is growing short (whohoo) we will witness great destruction but also great blessings (double whohoo!), as the great and awful day of our Lord draws nearer. This is all about Jesus. Yes it is an exciting time. Sometimes I think I am ready for the earth shaking to just start already so we can get it over with quicker, and then I have to remind myself yet again that this is all about Jesus and His ways, and all His ways are perfect - and I trust Him completely with all that I am. I give it back over to Him and go back to thanking and praising Him for all my blessings and the load is lightened again. The only way to survive this journey and remain spiritually intact to the very end in the hopes of being clothed in white robes by Jesus Himself....imagine, is to call on His name with every breath. If we only could imagine what lies ahead I believe our hearts with explode with anticipation and amazement.

Revelation 22:1-7 (King James Version)
1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

----Amen, come quickly.

You all are amazing. Keep shining.

faithful forever said...

You are not alone in your feeling of impending revelation Annon. Others at Les' site are saying the same thing.

This exchange for commenters at Les' place spoke to me and figured someone else might enjoy:

The dollar is in the toilet and gas prices are still low compared to the recent past. I try to keep from ringing the bell but a lot of people are now going to be out of town--maybe not too far, but gone none the less. I have read the info about why prices are down but it still doesn't make too much sense--or false sense.
Perhaps something is in the works for this long holiday weekend--sure has been quiet on the conspiracy front waiting for the newly anointed to put on the crown and the current cabal being pretty quiet as well. Too long of a lull makes me slightly uncomfortable--busiest shopping day of the year on friday--malls full of people (except me)I just see an opening to wreak havoc--but then again, I have seen a bunch of them in the past 8 years--But no takers.
Don't know if the bushies have the energy but the star of david crowd does!!
Keep your powder dry, and your turkey moist.
Jj

Yeah, Jj the action is certainly behind the scenes! OMG the energy is so immense and oddly enough it is very quiet...this means things are stirring at sub atomic levels, by the time gravity comes into play and we feel it here on earth, well who knows how far off in the distant future that will be...on a personal level I am in the midst of it now. The forces out of the Haag are on a rampage, I am fully exposed and my team here "are hiding under their bed with poopy pants (done crapped on themselves)"...

Maestro
________________

These are the best of days.

Love to all.

p.s. correction for above should be would explode with anticipation and amazement. I know you already probably figured that out.

Keep shinin' that light and calling on His name...our God reigns.

young brother said...

Annon, thank you for asking that question. I followed the link you provided and watched the video, it was very disturbing. I've always been interested in UFOs, and I actually saw a few right around 2001-2002 (in Florida and Maryland). I've also always been interested in Angels and Demons...and it didn't occur to me until a few years ago that the two things might be one and the same. Nowadays, this concept is getting more and more exposure. They are evil because they have no empathy, that is what makes them monstrous. The behavior of "extra terrestrials" reminds me very much of the "Watchers" that Enoch writes about. Have you read the Book of Enoch? If not, I would highly recommend it. You will be shocked at how familiar it seems. I will be writing about Romans 1, and what it has to do with the Nephilim very soon. Please read through that chapter, and compare it to the Book of Jude...it's amazing how far the Bible goes in exposing the secrets and ways of our enemies, and how much convention holds it back.

FF, I got the email, and sent Balor an invitation. I also changed up the header, and layout of the blog, inspired by your comment earlier about shouting from the rooftops. It will be nice to have Balor back around.

Has anyone talked to Peace lately? Or heard from Stephen?

faithful forever said...

Lots and lots going on; looks like you chose an appropriate day to start shouting from the rooftop, young brother...funny how that works sometime. It makes me happy to have been an inspiration and belong to this here wonderful community of believers. Thanks for all the blessings..each and every one of them from every one of you. Definitely up there in the top of what I am most thankful for.

I still miss the many who have come and gone here but Peace really left a big hole when she departed but all are in my thoughts and prayers. And Pearl, I loved her too. We have concluded that Stephen has moved on to other issues regarding homosexuality since the death of his friend/brother. That's all I know other than hopefully we will get to hear from Balor soon.

The web continues to be woven:
http://news.aol.com/article/feds-warn-of-nyc-subway-terror-plot/261138

Simultaneous blasts in Mumbai, India and Indian authorities are reportedly looking for men with American and British passports.

http://news.aol.com/article/16-die-in-mumbai-shootings-reports-say/261363


The Heavens are indeed His; enjoy (and keep looking up):
http://news.aol.com/article/jupiter-venus-and-moon-to-get-together/260466


Thailand's unrest is growing rapidly:
http://news.aol.com/article/protesters-halt-takeoffs-at-thai-airport/174739?icid=100214839x1213355768x1200926464

Yep, you picked the right day to change the layout of the blog, and it looks great. Really gets your attention. Thanks for all you do, with love.

Peace to all.

faithful forever said...

Do you think it could be just a coincidence that the courts are backing and supporting 'warrantless' searches recently? I had heard this the other day, turned a deaf ear and now there is an article posted at Alex Jones' site, but I didn't want to read it, and don't need to; we know where that is going.

I found it interesting that the man who called Mukasky a 'tyrant' regretted his actions while the tyrant had not who has done for more than shout the truth:

http://www.infowars.com/?p=6203

Alex does have a lot of important information even if he is a disinformation agent!

faithful forever said...

Mumbai is the financial capital of India.

Reportedly hostages from the West are being held. Now at least 80 are dead and 250 injured and US and British are being targeted not being chased for responsibility - sorry, conflicting report.

They say it is a splinter faction of Al Quida that is claiming responsibility.

young brother said...

What a day. It's amazing how severe things are getting around the world. Many people are so deep in their ruts of personal routine, that they will not stop, will not reassess, will not see the traps that are being set in front of our march to the future. Sometimes (especially in the past year), I wonder how it's possible that more people aren't getting stirred up, aren't asking questions, aren't recognizing the many warning signs that are unfolding on the world stage. People are just continuing down the paths that lie before them...and they will continue their journey no matter what happens. Meanwhile, the world is a a raging inferno of warfare, violence, and natural disasters.

God have mercy on this fallen, selfish, willfully ignorant world. Save us from our own thoughtlessness, and from the evil trappings of our collective enemies!

What sense can we make of the terrible, coordinated attacks in Mumbai today? On the one hand, we reap what we sew. We have planted violence and injustice, we will harvest the same.On the other hand, many so-called "terrorist" strikes in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, were part of a multinational western-government sponsored false-flag operation called "Operation Gladio", which was outed in 1992. I can't help but smell a serious rat here. We'll see what happens. May God receive the spirits of the righteous into his open arms...May God avenge the spilling of innocent blood. May our hopes for his kingdom come true. The world needs deliverance from this insanity!

p.s.

FF, Alex Jones does not have the sweetest spirit, but he does have a serious drive to make crucial information easily available. You are absolutely right, we should judge the fruit, in different levels. His site is the reason that I have any idea what "Operation Gladio" is at all. I know I've speculated about him possibly being a CIA double agent, but it was more speculation than anything. I don't care for his attitude (pompous and furious at the same time...a tough pill to swallow), but he does get some really good, solid information out there. We have to respect that!

Have a very happy Thanksgiving, FF, and All here! I am very thankful for this fellowship, and for the audacity of our hope. :)

Sandra said...

FF,
I was so busy today getting ready for a family gathering tomorrow that I did not hear about the attack in Mumbai. How sad and it seems they were attacking the tourist that come there.

Ali,
Thank your for your scripture from the Qur'an. I feel so blessed that you are sharing holy scripture with all of us. We are so fortunate that God has awaken us to what is going on in the world.

Have a happy Thanksgiving everyone and hold your loved ones close during the chaos of this world. God is wonderful and will see us through and I am thankful for his guidance and love. I am also thankful for the fellowship here. I love you all.

God Bless

faithful forever said...

It certainly does just keep getting better and better...with the best yet to come.

Yes, young brother, indeed our audacity to have real hope..for His promises are true as are all His ways. And the truth has set us free. Make a joyful sound! All thanks and praise to the One we worship and adore.

My wishes for a very blessed day with your loved ones goes out to all as well, and I am grateful for the kind words and heart given wishes.

The world is in travail, but gathering here restores and renews my spirit, and I am moved by the love. The awesome amazing love in such a cold world. The contrast is ever broadening and becoming more apparent. The light will prevail.

Love and peace (Jesus, the Prince of Peace) be with us all.