Sunday, June 20, 2010

VENGENCE BELONGS TO THE LORD


Revelation 11:18 (King James Version)

18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

72 comments:

faithful forever said...

Many are referring to this scenario as 'apocalyptic' and it could very well be. Keeps getting more interesting all the time. Netanyahu says be prepared for surprises. That is such an understatement.

http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions

The Lord is in control of everything. No doubt; no worries, but always watchfulness.

faithful forever said...

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/21/iran-nuclear-israel-war-opinions-reza-kahlili.html

faithful forever said...

...still missing our little community of faith, but I guess I will be here until the lights go out!

Our collapsing economy:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/everything-changed-overnight-what-to-do.html

Reports of the IDF landing at bases in Saudi and the US taking position on the Iran border while Iran is sending a blockade-busting ship to Gaza.

A 5.0 earthquake in Toronto yesterday that was felt in Ohio, Michigan and New York.

Love and peace to all.

But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.
2 Thessalonians 3:3

God is good all the time. I rejoice and make a glad sound unto our Father in Heaven who loves us more than we can imagine.

faithful forever said...

Partial lunar eclipse tomorrow night:

http://freepressinternational.com/2010/06/6-26-2010-lunar-eclipse-magnified-in-us/

faithful forever said...

The fun just never ends:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37921094/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf

I am not into astrology, but know that the dark side uses it to their (perceived) advantage, and I just wanted to mention that there is something happening in the skies that they refer to as 'the Grand Cross' that has planetary alignment of four planets. Don't know what it all means, if anything, but some say it is the same design that was in the sky during the time of Hitler's reign. Some make it sound like it means sudden death and destruction, while others seem to look at it as a time of renewal. The lunar eclipse is tomorrow and then on June 11th there is a solar eclipse coming. The skies are busy.

Love and peace to anyone who may be reading.

faithful forever said...

Mark 9:23 (King James Version)

23Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

faithful forever said...

More war, more bloodshed, more lies, more uncertainty in the world, and where will it all end?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FADRU0rEAxsJ:www1.albawaba.com/en/main-headlines/massive-iranian-military-reinforcement-near-gulf-region+Massive+Iranian+military+reinforcement+near+the+Gulf+region&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I do not despair, rather the opposite - my soul rejoices. I do not fear for we have been forwarned about these days.

Be strengthened in the Lord and all His ways, especially in bringing this corrupt world to its end.

faithful forever said...

Hey, if anyone is there, got any thoughts on which Gulf is more potentially explosive? The Gulf of Mexico with the oil volcano gushing thousands and thousands of gallons every hour, or the Persian Gulf that is being readied for war between Israel and Iran?

It's a bit of a toss up...

Anonymous said...

I am here my dear sister FF. It has been a while and you are immensly missed but have been in my prayer all along. Well, in this uncertain world, we are still alive and kicking. God is at work beyond what we can comprhend. I don't see any better future for this world outside the person of Christ. We seem to have entered the final phase of the journey interms of the situation our world in. Indeed, God is in control in an out of control circumstances.
Not that we want or wish the sky fall, but the road ahead does indeed seem rough. Doesn't it?
And in my opinion, none of the Gulf seems to be potentially less explosive but, both are ready and set on an agressive and agitated platform in a way that may change the world as we know it.
But God is good as he has always been. Let us keep our eyes focused only on Him. May the love of God invade your life in such time as this.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.


Annon

Anonymous said...

...and I know that the KING is coming, coming sooner than we can ever imagine. He is coming as He promised He will. He is coming for His own. The King of kings Lord of lords is coming wrapped in a cloud of GLORY! Glory be to His name. Come Jesus come! Amen.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

The joy and the blessing of those who belong to Him...a complete and perfect fullness like none other. Thank you for your prayers my brother and all the holy goosebumps that have not stopped yet; I know I have been blessed by them. I am so thankful to hear from you; I have been hoping and praying you were alright...can't tell you how much I have missed you.

Ephesians 1:17-25 (KJV)
17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Amen. The only way I have found to survive the tribulation is to focus on the spiritual. It is the only way in which I can watch what is happening without fear, but comfort instead; without apprehension but rather great anticipation. All His words and all His ways soothe my soul.

Bible verse of the day at Bible Gateway:

“The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.”- Zechariah 14:9

...and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that He alone is Lord of all.

To be with new saints and old saints with no strangers among us. Be still my heart. I wait patiently for I know the good things He has in store for those who belong to Him.

Lots and lots of love to you in His precious holy name, Annon.

Sandra said...

The Native American prophecy of the white buffalo states that when it is born, the day of the Creator is at hand. In 1994 this white buffalo was born. Since then other white animals have started to appear. These are not albinos. Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrdDoSM9r2M

Anonymous said...

Sandra

Glad to see you after a long while. Hope our little community will regather once again and stick together till the Lord returns.

I read recently a white elephant was born in Burma and it is believed by that particular culture that such a birth is a sign of the soon coming great change in the world. I believe God speaks to each community and culture in His own ways. In the book of Job it says: "God speaks in one way or another but man doesn't perceive it." All the signs that are happening today point to final days of this corrupt and sick world. I believe in all my heart that the King is coming sooner than we expect.

FF, so true. The only way to survive the dark days ahead is to focus on the spiritual matters. The God Who delivered us from our own bondage in Egypt, is faithfull to take us by hand to Cannan.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

Matthew 24:14 (KJV)

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Amen.

What a blessing, Sandra, and I too am so very glad to see you here. I haven't had a chance to watch your link, but I am looking very forward to seeing it. Love and peace to you in His name.

Annon, our captivity is drawing to a close and soon we will be like calves jumping from our stalls. Free at long last for forever and ever.

Buckwheat said...

Replacement theology says that references to Israel in the Old Testament were actually talking about the church, and yeah this idea is fine for some verses. Other verses talk about the Jews being scattered throughout the world, returning to their land, restoring their nation, being surrounded by enemies, and being hated by the world. Come on now…this is not talking about the church…no way. This is talking about the modern nation of Israel, and in these prophecies…tiny little Israel comes out on top.

Are you sure you’re on the right side? A better question would be why do you hate Jews so much? Do you think the Jews are conspiring to conquer the world and kill the rest of us? Why do so many people believe this of the Jews? Why have so many people for so many centuries hated this tiny group of people so much? If you just stop and think about it a minute, it’s really hard to believe and it suggest supernatural forces at work.

I’ve seen reports from Gaza…I’ve seen reporters talking to people in Gaza…I’ve read numerous articles and I’ve seen it with my own eyes in numerous video reports…there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. There are some areas of poverty like there is everywhere, but thanks to all the humanitarian aid there is less hunger in Gaza than there is in the United States. Look at video coming out of Darfur, now there’s a humanitarian crisis.

The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is an invention…it is a big lie. It is a big lie in the sense that it is easily refuted, but it has been repeated so often that many people believe it without question. If you can open your eyes and see this one lie, then you may be able to see the whole web of lies.

Prophecy is being fulfilled as this one tiny group of people are struggling to survive as they find themselves increasingly hated by the whole world. The whole world repeatedly condemns Israel for trying to defend themselves as if they do not have a right to defend themselves…they do not have a right to survive. The whole world continuously spreads falsehood to achieve the destruction of this one tiny little group of people.

As the whole world turns more and more against them…you continue to believe that this is all a big Jewish conspiracy. But wait a minute…if this is all a big Jewish conspiracy…it isn’t working out too good for the Jews is it? That Jewish conspiracy theory before WWII turned out to be history’s most evil lie, yet nothing will shake your faith in the new and improved great Jewish conspiracy theory.

Ironic really. The Jews demanded the crucifixion of Christ based on false accusation. Today in the final chapter of creation, the Jews are playing the role of Christ as they are crucified by the world, with a lot of false charges being made against Israel.

I got a feeling this is all part of the plan, yet…it is probably unwise to be among those who are crying “crucify him”.

Buckwheat said...

I later realize that a lot of people believe that if we let the muslims destroy Israel it will lead to peace on many fronts. It is claimed that Israel is the primary source of muslim hostility, so the destruction of Israel could lead to world peace and understanding. This is not likely, but true or not this is basically saying that we must sacrifice Israel so that the rest of us might live.

Anonymous said...

Buckwheat

I agree in many of the things you say. Indeed there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza as such. Infact the people and the media that dissiminat this lie are the ones that are willingly blind to the real crisis in Darfur, Somalia etc... Unfortunately, there is no end to the hypocricy and it stinks high to the heavens. Who would speak of the rape, the killing in mass, the brutal atrocity, slavery and depravation of the bare necessities of life committed against the people in such places as Darfur, Congo or Somalia? There is none. We might hear sporadic News about such places but never given the same attention as the"crisis" in Gaza. Where is the Flotilla of Aid for the Moslems in Darfur from the Arab nations? None at all. They are dying in their thousands of starvation and killings. Obviously the Darfur Moslems are black moslems and who cares about blacks in the first place? Sadly, the opposite is true. It is the opperesive Sudanese moslem military governemnt that gets all the help from the Arabs in support of its policy of genocide. Where is UN? Why there is no resolution against such brutal regimes who are committing genocide against innocent people? As for the middle east, outside of the intervention of God, there will be no peace. We have heard jokes of "peace process" year after year after year. I understand what you mean by Israel being considered as the bad guy. Who is the good guy? Would the Arabs be interested to live side by side with Israel in peace? No, not at all. In fact, in many instances the Arabs prefer to live without Israel in poverty than with Israel in prosperity. I know that first hand. The mess in that part of the world is not something Obama or UN can clean up. Impossible to imagine a centuries old problem would be solved over night. Sadly it is not even in the interest of the majority of Arab countries for Palestinians to live peacefully with Israel. The Arabs at any cost want a weak Israel hence they have to use Plaestinians as a thorn in the flesh to the Israelis whereby Israel can be hated by the whole world as a result of their actions against Palestinians. Whether Israel's action is justified, it is another issue. One thing is certain, whether or not Israel's action is justified, its fight is a fight of survival. I don't agree with those who try to make Palestinians or arabs for that matter the good guys and Israel the bad guy. It doesn't take to be a rocket scientist or a bibilical scholar to predict what the Arabs can do if the opportunity comes their way. Having said that it is upto God to bring the problem of that region or the whole world to an end. Humanity is a failure. I guess we should focus more on what God is going to do than dwell upon generations old argument and problem that no one has control except the Good Lord.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

Anonymous said...

Buckwheat

I agree in many of the things you say. Indeed there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza as such. Infact the people and the media that dissiminat this lie are the ones that are willingly blind to the real crisis in Darfur, Somalia etc... Unfortunately, there is no end to the hypocricy and it stinks high to the heavens. Who would speak of the rape, the killing in mass, the brutal atrocity, slavery and depravation of the bare necessities of life committed against the people in such places as Darfur, Congo or Somalia? There is none. We might hear sporadic News about such places but never given the same attention as the"crisis" in Gaza. Where is the Flotilla of Aid for the Moslems in Darfur from the Arab nations? None at all. They are dying in their thousands of starvation and killings. Obviously the Darfur Moslems are black moslems and who cares about blacks in the first place? Sadly, the opposite is true. It is the opperesive Sudanese moslem military governemnt that gets all the help from the Arabs in support of its policy of genocide. Where is UN? Why there is no resolution against such brutal regimes who are committing genocide against innocent people? As for the middle east, outside of the intervention of God, there will be no peace. We have heard jokes of "peace process" year after year after year. I understand what you mean by Israel being considered as the bad guy. Who is the good guy? Would the Arabs be interested to live side by side with Israel in peace? No, not at all. In fact, in many instances the Arabs prefer to live without Israel in poverty than with Israel in prosperity. I know that first hand. The mess in that part of the world is not something Obama or UN can clean up. Impossible to imagine a centuries old problem would be solved over night. Sadly it is not even in the interest of the majority of Arab countries for Palestinians to live peacefully with Israel. The Arabs at any cost want a weak Israel hence they have to use Plaestinians as a thorn in the flesh to the Israelis whereby Israel can be hated by the whole world as a result of their actions against Palestinians. Whether Israel's action is justified, it is another issue. One thing is certain, whether or not Israel's action is justified, its fight is a fight of survival. I don't agree with those who try to make Palestinians or arabs for that matter the good guys and Israel the bad guy. It doesn't take to be a rocket scientist or a bibilical scholar to predict what the Arabs can do if the opportunity comes their way. Having said that it is upto God to bring the problem of that region or the whole world to an end. Humanity is a failure. I guess we should focus more on what God is going to do than dwell upon generations old argument and problem that no one has control except the Good Lord.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the double post. something went wrong.

Annon

Sandra said...

Annon,
Wow..it is so nice to see you write your view points..please express yourself more in issues like this because it is refreshing. I for one get tired of blaming everything on Jews and refuse to take part in it.

Another link below on Indian prophesy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuh-KhSVvT8&feature=related

The reason I have not been on here is I could not remember my password and finally got a new one.

Blessings and thank you Buckwheat and Annon for your viewpoint.♥♥♥

Sandra said...

We need to "Wake Up" to what we are doing to mother earth. It takes all of us to "change" how we view the world and treat each other. It is not the all mighty dollar that is going to save this country but a shift in what is truly important. Treating each other with respect and dignity and loving and taking care of the earth that was a gift to us from God...Greed and corporate America is destroying this
country...Example BP and Exxon.


Revelations 7:3 (King James)Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The time is NOW to change. No one can change us but the Lord and his word...his teachings will show us the way....

Love and Blessings

Buckwheat said...

Can what’s coming be avoided? That’s always been a good question about Armageddon. I think in theory it can be avoided just like you can hold a piece of meat in front of a hungry dog and the dog will decide if it wants to grab it…yeah right…in theory it can be avoided, but it won’t be avoided just like the dog is always going to grab the meat. Human weakness...there is none good but God. Collectively we won’t turn things around, but individually it is our responsibility to try.

I certainly don’t know what’s going to happen, but it is looking like the world is coming down on Israel. There are passages in prophecy that describe this, and they may not be talking about the church, they may be talking about what is happening now. In prophecy the power of God is revealed as little Israel defeats the world (or much of the world).

I’m not Jewish, but this possibility doesn’t offend me. It’s possible that the elect gathered in the last days are all Jews so I won’t be invited. Why should this offend me? I missed out on the first coming of Christ, but I'm okay with that. Just let the story play out.

Some look at the story in Exodus of God killing the Egyptians and say the Egyptians were evil and God hated them. Some will say that it must be fiction since a loving God wouldn’t do something like this. Why not? God transcends time, so how long were the Egyptians dead from God’s perspective? Well they weren’t dead were they. They were never dead. God just moved them from this world to the next phase of life.

In ancient times God used Israel as symbol of…? Well, much can be said of that, but the point is…so what if God uses the modern nation of Israel in the same way. That doesn’t mean that God hates the Arabs, God is still gonna take care of all His children.

Death is nothing...look at the story that’s playing out, and don't see anyone as an enemy...and keep an open mind.

faithful forever said...

I feel compelled to point out that the Revelations 7:3 verse is used out of context. Of course we are not supposed to hurt the earth or any inhabitants thereof, but that is God instructing the four angels of their mission before His glorious return.

Inquiring minds would like to know why when Sandra shows up so does another unusually-named poster...every single time.

And 'don't see anyone as an enemy' is a very dangerous proposition. You just may overlook that wolf in sheep's clothing if you cannot discern the spirit or recognize their fruit.

Jesus' strongest warning is about 'those who say they are Jews and are not.' I am not throwing that out because you say to throw that out. There is a bloodline of the same spirit that persecuted Christ that is roaming the earth still today and is seeking whom can be devoured. This is not a cake walk; there is work to be done.

Make no mistake, there IS a conspiracy taking place. To limit it to a racial issue is ludicrous. Just as ludicrous as supporting the atrocities committed by the modern state of Israel because you accept and believe the lie of them being God's chosen people and therefore they can do whatever is necessary to defend and preserve themselves. God tells us He has saved Himself a remnant and this is for God to know who they are, but for the whole rest of us, there is neither Jew, nor Greek nor Gentile. It's an equal playing field now other than those who are falsely exalting themselves in His name while oppressing those who they deem lesser than themselves. If you are not one of them, you are goyim and goyim are not well thought of in their inner circle.

There is a battle being waged. Physical death is nothing so long as there is not spiritual death.

faithful forever said...

Colossians 2:6-17 (King James Version)
6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Amen.

Sandra said...

FF,
I just quoted the scripture and you can take it anyway you want to but I believe we have done enough damage to the earth without any spiritual help in destroying this planet. Did not mean to offend you by quoting it.

I have no idea why you seem to think I am in some kind of partnership with some one who posts here. I am not and that is the truth. I just responded to what someone wrote..sorry you feel that way. If someone does not agree with you it seems you try and tear them down and have an accusing spirit. Please note I have no idea who this person is that started writing on here. Why do you do this FF?

I guess it is time for me to leave again. I am sorry and please know that I truly mean this. Breaks my heart to know you feel that I would do this. Tears are coming now so I am closing.

With Christ's love

faithful forever said...

Duly noted that you do not have any idea who this person is that started writing on here. Please note that I am merely questioning the history of this scenario that happened yet again. I did not say that you were in partnership with them, but expressed curiosity about the timing and the history of this peculiar happenstance. Agreeing or disagreeing is not an issue, and I was not offended by the scripture. I apologize if I offended you regarding the context.

The drums of war against Iran are beating louder with the Obama administration going it alone with crippling sanctions. There are many lessons to be learned from history:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12988

faithful forever said...

How strange...I posted a comment last night and it is not here even though I seen it and evidentally the counter is still counting it.

I never said that you did this Sandra; was merely remarking about the unusual timing and history of this event that repeated yet again. I was not offended by the scripture verse; it's one of my favorite as the Lord comforts us in showing us once again that it is the wicked that will be destroyed. I hope you stay around Sandra, but that is your decision.

The same conspiracy that conspired to kill Jesus is of the same spirit that is persecuting His people today. It is insidious and touches our lives everyday in ways we are not even aware of. It is referred to as a Jewish conspiracy because the Rothchilds and the Rockefellers who own and control the banking industry. The ones who are in control of the nations' economies (except for the Arab world which they are desperately trying to get a hold on now for the final phase of their New World Order); the ones who can cause all or none to buy, trade or sell - or not. The modern-day temple money changers that angered our amazing Savior. So, technically it is a Jewish conspiracy, but the Jews who say they are Jews and are not have to be separated and identified. Some believe that Jesus' warning about the Synagogue of Satan (those who say they are Jews but aren't), is a spiritual meaning that they worship not the Father in Heaven but are from their father the devil. They say they are Jews and this is how they can say they are doing the work of God (Goldman Sachs), because their God is Mammon. The Lord tells us the love of money is the root of all evil and we are to recognize them by their fruits. Because they do not fear God, they believe He that He will neither do good nor evil, they are deceived into believing they can continue unfettered. Nothing could be further than the truth because God will act. He tells us so and in a very big way when the Father deems it to be so they will be destroyed and the meek shall inherit the earth.

Love and peace in His precious holy name to all.

faithful forever said...

Well, there's the other comment. Go figure. Better late than never I always say!


Hebrews 10:37 (King James Version)

37For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

Amen. Come Lord Jesus. All glory to God.

Sandra said...

FF,
On looking over my comments I realize that I was commenting to what Annon was writing not the new person other than writing to say thank you for your viewpoint. I don't know maybe I attract people with different view points on here but how are we going to learn how others think unless we give them the freedom to express their views. In a loving way we can try and reason with them and I do have to admit I don't know anything about the Jewish issues so I welcome others point of views. I know your views but in order to form a more well rounded view of what is going on and why there is so much conflict in the middle east I welcome others opinions.

Love your enemies is not just a saying but we are really suppose to try and do it. Vengence is not ours but the Lords which is the title of this thread. Loving others to give them the freedom to express their views is just what I try to do.

Love you FF

Sandra said...

Another issue I would like to express and hopefully it will not be taken as an offense to anyone but if we do not allow others to express opinions that are different from what we hold dear are we not just as bad as the religious right? They will not tolerate any views other than their narrow interpertation of the Bible..I ask this because I have seen more have left this site. I have seen people being ridiculed on here and basically told to leave if they don't agree with points of view. I have disagreed on here many times and one or two seem to attack my views without trying to understand where I am coming from and to me it has felt no different than how the religious right treat those they disagree with and they treat them like they are in the devils corner.

Of course this is just from someone who has learned through the years that we are not to judge another until we walk a mile in their shoes...It is part of my culture.

Peace be with you in Christ's Holy Name.

faithful forever said...

Dear Sandra, As always, I love your spirit and God has blessed you in many ways for sure and you are a blessing to this site. This is not 'my site' and I am not in charge of it. There is freedom to express yourself and just because someone doesn't agree with it does not mean one cannot continue to express their points. This is the only way we can learn and grow from each other and in each other. There always has to be a mutual respect tempered with love and patience with God as the leader. When His teachings are strayed from or twisted to suit our purposes, I will not be receptive. Yes indeed, love your enemies, but always mindful at the same time of the battle that is being waged.

Eph 6:12: For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Our God is soo good and I am really overjoyed that He is bringing us together again. Praise Him for all good things come from Him.

I love you too Sandra, my beautiful sister.

faithful forever said...

Their hatred has come again to our shores. Reports of alleged crop damage in Ohio from the oil volcano and some say that the neuro-toxin Corexit has most likely now been spread from the Gulf to the northern plains with the most recent pattern of thunder storms. BP is a predominantly US-owned company and if they declare bankruptcy like there are now rumors of, the economy in America is most likely to tank soon thereafter. Yep, it's going to be a very interesting summer. In certain circles this Sunday's date, seven eleven may go together really well with nine eleven...just a thought. There's a total eclipse as well:

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/94/025/Total_Eclipse_Sunday_July_11_Will_Fall_on_Easter_Island.html

Anything can happen. Pray incessantly for our Lord will not forsake us.

Interesting site about the toxins being used in the Gulf:

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/05/24/bp-we-have-to-use-corexit-because-no-one-tests-for-endocrine-disruptors/

Stay blessed and keeping looking up. Our redemption draweth near while the world continues to go on as usual as it can. I believe soon even that will be interrupted.

A very miraculous time that will be beyond all imagination. The Lord's plan is perfect. Theirs..not so much.

Love and peace in His precious holy name. All glory to God.

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faithful forever said...

There's even more of a media blackout taking place in the Gulf and independent journalists are being kicked out of the Gulf region in droves. Why? one might ask. A new tropical depression named Bonnie is on the way and maybe that is why 2,400 soldiers from Canada are in the Gulf. We have Polish soldiers are on soil as well. The NWO is no longer just marching, it is sprinting.

http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Human-Rights-Examiner~y2010m7d7-Censored-Gulf-oil-news-American-refugees-aid-begun

The devil is the destroyer and he will destroy many during this tribulation period.

And we have Netanyahu saying 'miracles' can be done for peace between Israel and Palestine because it's summertime...hmmm. Anything can happen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100707/pl_afp/mideastconflictisraelundiplomacy_20100707163836;_ylt=A0LEVVWP5jVMmXEADnwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTExMWc3bTVzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA3JlNAR2dGlkAwRsA1dTMQ--

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faithful forever said...

A good site of the history of 'the naval of the world' Easter Island:

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/easter-island-stones-history.html

Darfur, Sudan for the last seven years has been a sad barometer for the decline of society. The brutality that has taken place there is unspeakable and the saddest thing is the people will tell you the reason they are being killed and they are right, is because they are black. Seems the illimunati have set up a hierarcy related to skin color with the darkest being the least important; less human. The men are killed and the women and children raped. Hunted and treated worse than animals. It is given little attention because those who are behind the slaughter also control the media. I believe many people do care and I know our God cares. Soon they will see just how much it is that our God cares. His vengence will be perfect and just. We will all reap what we have sown. Rest assured their time is short and give praise to the only one who is able to wage war with the beast, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Annon, Jesus sent His disciples out in two's and it is a blessing thinking about being sent out together with you here in this cyberspace.

Sandra said...

Hoping all is well with you FF and thank you for understanding my point of view. We might not always agree but I think we have love for the word and all other issues will be sorted out in his timing. I don't get on here as much but once I do I get caught up on what is going on which I appreciate.

Listening and doing.

19My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. 21Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.
22Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.

26If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. 27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Peace and Love.

faithful forever said...

So beautiful, Sandra and a great reminder. Because we have love of the word, we have love for each other and this is the most important foundation. We can always grow from there, but without it we are nothing other than clanging cymbols. Growing in faith is a tremendous blessing, but with all growth there can be pain involved. Indeed, our God is working it all out. Thank you for blessing me with your love and understanding. Being sent out with you would be a tremendous joy as well. We know the disciples didn't always agree on everything either. How much we all need Jesus to continually show us the right path. He is such a remarkably awesome God.

Blessings Sandra and thank you for your kind wishes and words. Love and holy kisses my sister.

In reading briefly about the history of eclipses, I read there seems to be a pattern of wars being declared within a 15-day timeframe of a solar eclipse taking place after a 15-day prior lunar eclipse which took place on June 26th. I am not superstitious, merely being watchful. Their midsummer rituals at Bohemian Grove should be about set to begin as well.

Interesting times for sure.

Thanks for being here to share it with...priceless.

Sandra said...

Blessings to you too FF...In all due time all will be made clear to his people. Loving and caring for each other and the word of God is more important than any difference we have depending on the culture we were raised in. I think God wanted variety and that is why there is different races and cultures. We learn from studying his word, prayer and each other. I know I sure don't have all the answers but I do know it will be revealed to all his followers. In the mean time we need to be patient with each other as we grow in the type of people God will be pleased with..

Love and peace in his precious name

Anonymous said...

The changes that you are patiently waiting for are taking shape, and what you perceive as delays are not in fact preventing them from being prepared in readiness. Once our involvement becomes open knowledge, you will see some remarkable events taking place in quick succession. One that will give us immense joy is when our craft can fly over your cities in a greeting to you, and a celebration of our coming together. We have all traveled far to reach this momentous time in your evolution, and the experience for us will be crowned by witnessing your great joy and happiness. The knowledge that you are free at last from the dark Ones, will bring a great sigh of relief that will be heard all through the Solar System. In fact there will be immense celebrations throughout it, as your upliftment will mean that you can soon join us as fellow Galactic Beings.

From one point of view the Earth has never been in such a bad state as it is now, yet it is a paradox as it is now so near to lifting up out of the lower vibrations into the Light. In other words you are not going down, but clearing out the debris of a period of misrule and mismanagement, and the future will not become clear until it is swept clean. That process clearly cannot fully commence until we arrive on Earth, and combine forces to quickly deal with the many problems you have been experiencing.

In the meantime your awakening and rising consciousness levels are bringing people together, and you are knowingly or otherwise putting your power to good use. Prayers. Petitions and meditations are focusing upon your vision of a new Earth, and you are helping manifest it. It is all coming together, and our combined efforts are destined to bring satisfactory results. There is no doubt whatsoever that you will soon witness the end of the old regime. They have been the architects of their own downfall, and there is no longer any way back for them, even though they try.

Take everything in your stride, and no matter what happens in the following months it cannot last for any length of time. Our plan for your safe passage to Ascension is proceeding satisfactorily, and our allies have never been more ready to carry it out. Much has already been organized behind the scenes, and just waits the correct moment to move into action. We naturally wish the end times were in full flow, but that will come before much longer. You will have some signs of it that will give you an idea of its nearness, and although the media are still controlled, your Internet will be a source of interesting speculation. Be intuitive and you will be able to pick out the reliable and truthful reports.

Our message to you is to have faith in us, just as you had in the Spiritual Hierarchy when you first allowed yourselves to drop into the lower vibrations. You knew you would eventually be swallowed up in the darkness of duality, and face the challenge of finding God within once again. However, you were promised that you would always be helped to rise up again, and now that has been fulfilled. The Galactic Federation works with the Higher Beings, and all along have been authorized to accompany you through this cycle, as others have done before. We are your link to God, and carry out our mission with great love and dedication. There is joy in being able to serve others as they make their way through cycles of experience, and our reward is your success. We do not seek glory, but are allowed to have pride in our missions just as you experience great satisfaction in a job done well.

SaLuSa July 12, 2010

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Sandra said...

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Hope you are not offended but my faith is in Jesus Christ and his teachings. They give me peace and comfort and I personally don't need any space people to show me the way to end the darkness in this world. If only people who claimed to follow Christ actually put his teachings into practice we would have "heaven" on earth. Jesus said we are to live our life in love and peace.

Jesus did warn us about those coming in his name but are not of him. My people (Indian)went through that with the first people who came to this country with the bible in one hand and a rifle in their other hand to steal and kill the "savages".

Hoping your day is full of love and peace. ♥♥♥

faithful forever said...

In Honor of our amazing Savior Jesus Christ, Sandra. What a joy your testimony brought.

Philippians 2:9-11 (KJV)

9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Amen. Come Lord Jesus, come quickly.

The hypocrisy of those white settlers with Bibles in their hands killing the savages is akin to the hypocrisy of 'God's chosen people' ruling the world with an iron fist; just on a grander scale.

An aid ship bound for Gaza from Libya has set out to which Israel said it was not necessary because the blockade has been lightened against Gaza to which Libya responded that it's mission is also to make a political statement. The boat and its' occupants were told to sail to Egypt which it has refused. Israel has given a midnight ultimatum regarding the issue:

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Israel_gives_Gaza_bound_ship_midnig_07132010.html

If they were truly God's chosen people, they would trust in His protection and faithfulness; not justify killing in His name:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=13031

Interesting times and many will be fooled for things are so twisted. All by design. We are equipped with everything that we need because our Father in Heaven loves us.

Love you Sandra. And your hearts!
Hope your day is filled with love and peace today and everyday.

Anonymous said...

Jeremiah 2:8
8 The priests did not say, ‘Where is the LORD?’
And those who handle the law did not know Me;
The rulers also transgressed against Me;
The prophets prophesied by Baal,
And walked after things that do not profit.

The Kohanim did not say, "Where is Hashem?" And the supporters of the Torah did not know Me, and the leaders sinned against Me, and the prophets prophesied about the Baal, and followed those who will not help. (Haftarah, Yirmiyahu 2:8)

Rabbi Meir Arik, the Buchacher Rav (1855-1926), used to explain this verse as follows: The Kohanim were the spiritual leaders of the people,whose job it was to teach the people the proper Torah outlook. But they did not say, "Where is Hashem?"
They chose to remain silent. Consequently, "the supporters of the Torah do not know Me" - the
simple Jews remained ignorant of what the Torah says.
From where did they draw their viewpoint on the world? From the prophets of the Baal, who were
anything but silent. "The prophets prophesied about the Baal" - they are the ones doing the talking, and
thus the simple Jews think that their help will come through the Baal. The whole situation, however,
could have been rectified if only the Kohanim had spoken out and taken a stand against the prophets
of the Baal. (Kol Yaakov, p. 15)
These false prophets were not as obviously false as we might think. The trial they presented was such that people greater than the greatest among us fell into their trap (see Sanhedrin 102b).
They used Torah to justify their position.
Rabbi Yochanan said: Jerusalem was only destroyed because they judged cases according to Torah law. The Gemara objects: How then should
they have judged cases - with violence? The Gemara amends the words of Rabbi Yochanan: They based
their laws on Torah law and did not go beyond the letter of the law. (Bava Metzia 30b)
We must ask: doing everything according to Torah law is no small achievement. If only all Jews
today would follow the simple Torah law! Why then was the Jewish people punished for not going
beyond the law? Not everybody is able to achieve that level.
Rabbi Avraham Lieberman answered this based on the Ksav Sofer's comment on the verse
ממרים הייתם עם ה' , "You have been rebels against Hashem"
(Devarim9:7). The word ממרים ("rebels")
can also mean "those who rule on a legal question"; thus Moshe Rabbeinu rebuked the Jewish people
and said, "Whenever you sin, you find various legal grounds to permit what you do." The words ' ,עם ה translated above as "against Hashem," would now take on their literal meaning, "with Hashem": By
finding grounds to permit a sin, the Jews made their sin into something done "with Hashem," i.e.
permitted acts.
Accordingly, we can explain Rabbi Yochanan's words differently: Jerusalem was only destroyed
because they based their laws - the excuses they used to permit sins - on the words of Torah.
One might object that the context of this Gemara in Bava Metzia ("and did not go beyond the letter of the law") shows that it is talking about following strict Torah law, not about using the Torah to justify outright sins. The answer is that the Gemara is talking about both, for both
these problems stem from one mistake. When a person understands the spirit of the Torah's laws,
he will go beyond the letter of the law. To use the example mentioned earlier in the Gemara there, when a man asked Rabbi Yishmoel to help him lift his load of wood, Rabbi Yishmoel could have
refused and walked away, since the Torah exempts an eminent scholar from this mitzvah. But Rabbi
Yishmoel understand that the purpose of the mitzvah is to help another Jew in need. Therefore
Rabbi Yishmoel paid the man the value of the wood and told him to leave it there.
When someone uses his scholarly skills to"prove" that the Torah justifies a sin, how are his
listeners to know whether to accept his conclusion?

Anonymous said...

Jeremiah 2:8
8 The priests did not say, ‘Where is the LORD?’
And those who handle the law did not know Me;
The rulers also transgressed against Me;
The prophets prophesied by Baal,
And walked after things that do not profit.

The Kohanim did not say, "Where is Hashem?" And the supporters of the Torah did not know Me, and the leaders sinned against Me, and the prophets prophesied about the Baal, and followed those who will not help. (Haftarah, Yirmiyahu 2:8)

Rabbi Meir Arik, the Buchacher Rav (1855-1926), used to explain this verse as follows: The Kohanim were the spiritual leaders of the people,whose job it was to teach the people the proper Torah outlook. But they did not say, "Where is Hashem?"
They chose to remain silent. Consequently, "the supporters of the Torah do not know Me" - the
simple Jews remained ignorant of what the Torah says.
From where did they draw their viewpoint on the world? From the prophets of the Baal, who were
anything but silent. "The prophets prophesied about the Baal" - they are the ones doing the talking, and
thus the simple Jews think that their help will come through the Baal. The whole situation, however,
could have been rectified if only the Kohanim had spoken out and taken a stand against the prophets
of the Baal. (Kol Yaakov, p. 15)
These false prophets were not as obviously false as we might think. The trial they presented was such that people greater than the greatest among us fell into their trap (see Sanhedrin 102b).
They used Torah to justify their position.
Rabbi Yochanan said: Jerusalem was only destroyed because they judged cases according to Torah law. The Gemara objects: How then should
they have judged cases - with violence? The Gemara amends the words of Rabbi Yochanan: They based
their laws on Torah law and did not go beyond the letter of the law. (Bava Metzia 30b)
We must ask: doing everything according to Torah law is no small achievement. If only all Jews
today would follow the simple Torah law! Why then was the Jewish people punished for not going
beyond the law? Not everybody is able to achieve that level.
Rabbi Avraham Lieberman answered this based on the Ksav Sofer's comment on the verse
ממרים הייתם עם ה' , "You have been rebels against Hashem"
(Devarim9:7). The word ממרים ("rebels")
can also mean "those who rule on a legal question"; thus Moshe Rabbeinu rebuked the Jewish people
and said, "Whenever you sin, you find various legal grounds to permit what you do." The words ' ,עם ה translated above as "against Hashem," would now take on their literal meaning, "with Hashem": By
finding grounds to permit a sin, the Jews made their sin into something done "with Hashem," i.e.
permitted acts.
Accordingly, we can explain Rabbi Yochanan's words differently: Jerusalem was only destroyed
because they based their laws - the excuses they used to permit sins - on the words of Torah.
One might object that the context of this Gemara in Bava Metzia ("and did not go beyond the letter of the law") shows that it is talking about following strict Torah law, not about using the Torah to justify outright sins. The answer is that the Gemara is talking about both, for both
these problems stem from one mistake. When a person understands the spirit of the Torah's laws,
he will go beyond the letter of the law. To use the example mentioned earlier in the Gemara there, when a man asked Rabbi Yishmoel to help him lift his load of wood, Rabbi Yishmoel could have
refused and walked away, since the Torah exempts an eminent scholar from this mitzvah. But Rabbi
Yishmoel understand that the purpose of the mitzvah is to help another Jew in need. Therefore
Rabbi Yishmoel paid the man the value of the wood and told him to leave it there.
When someone uses his scholarly skills to"prove" that the Torah justifies a sin, how are his
listeners to know whether to accept his conclusion?

Anonymous said...

Jeremiah 2:8
8 The priests did not say, ‘Where is the LORD?’
And those who handle the law did not know Me;
The rulers also transgressed against Me;
The prophets prophesied by Baal,
And walked after things that do not profit.

The Kohanim did not say, "Where is Hashem?" And the supporters of the Torah did not know Me, and the leaders sinned against Me, and the prophets prophesied about the Baal, and followed those who will not help. (Haftarah, Yirmiyahu 2:8)

Rabbi Meir Arik, the Buchacher Rav (1855-1926), used to explain this verse as follows: The Kohanim were the spiritual leaders of the people,whose job it was to teach the people the proper Torah outlook. But they did not say, "Where is Hashem?"
They chose to remain silent. Consequently, "the supporters of the Torah do not know Me" - the
simple Jews remained ignorant of what the Torah says.
From where did they draw their viewpoint on the world? From the prophets of the Baal, who were
anything but silent. "The prophets prophesied about the Baal" - they are the ones doing the talking, and
thus the simple Jews think that their help will come through the Baal. The whole situation, however,
could have been rectified if only the Kohanim had spoken out and taken a stand against the prophets
of the Baal. (Kol Yaakov, p. 15)
These false prophets were not as obviously false as we might think. The trial they presented was such that people greater than the greatest among us fell into their trap (see Sanhedrin 102b).
They used Torah to justify their position.
Rabbi Yochanan said: Jerusalem was only destroyed because they judged cases according to Torah law. The Gemara objects: How then should
they have judged cases - with violence? The Gemara amends the words of Rabbi Yochanan: They based
their laws on Torah law and did not go beyond the letter of the law. (Bava Metzia 30b)
We must ask: doing everything according to Torah law is no small achievement. If only all Jews
today would follow the simple Torah law! Why then was the Jewish people punished for not going
beyond the law? Not everybody is able to achieve that level.
Rabbi Avraham Lieberman answered this based on the Ksav Sofer's comment on the verse
ממרים הייתם עם ה' , "You have been rebels against Hashem"
(Devarim9:7). The word ממרים ("rebels")
can also mean "those who rule on a legal question"; thus Moshe Rabbeinu rebuked the Jewish people
and said, "Whenever you sin, you find various legal grounds to permit what you do." The words ' ,עם ה translated above as "against Hashem," would now take on their literal meaning, "with Hashem": By
finding grounds to permit a sin, the Jews made their sin into something done "with Hashem," i.e.
permitted acts.
Accordingly, we can explain Rabbi Yochanan's words differently: Jerusalem was only destroyed
because they based their laws - the excuses they used to permit sins - on the words of Torah.
One might object that the context of this Gemara in Bava Metzia ("and did not go beyond the letter of the law") shows that it is talking about following strict Torah law, not about using the Torah to justify outright sins. The answer is that the Gemara is talking about both, for both
these problems stem from one mistake. When a person understands the spirit of the Torah's laws,
he will go beyond the letter of the law. To use the example mentioned earlier in the Gemara there, when a man asked Rabbi Yishmoel to help him lift his load of wood, Rabbi Yishmoel could have
refused and walked away, since the Torah exempts an eminent scholar from this mitzvah. But Rabbi
Yishmoel understand that the purpose of the mitzvah is to help another Jew in need. Therefore
Rabbi Yishmoel paid the man the value of the wood and told him to leave it there.
When someone uses his scholarly skills to"prove" that the Torah justifies a sin, how are his
listeners to know whether to accept his conclusion?

Anonymous said...

They may not be scholarly enough to disprove his arguments, but they will be able to tell whether his conclusion follows the spirit of the Torah or not.
Thus, the mistake of not taking the trouble to understand the spirit of the Torah's laws leads to
two problems: the failure to go beyond the letter of the law, and the much more serious offense of
basing sins on the Torah.
This is the time of year when we mourn the destruction of Jerusalem and give thought to why it has not yet been rebuilt. The criticisms voiced by Yirmiyahu Hanavi and Rabbi Yochanan are still applicable to us today. We have in our midst many false prophets who use Torah arguments to claim
that we have the right to rule over Eretz Yisroel during galus. Those who know better are, for
the most part, silent on this issue. That leaves us simple Jews to decide the matter on our own. If we understand the spirit of the Torah - that Hashem placed us in galus and wants us there for many
good reasons - we will know that any efforts to counter His decree are wrong and will ultimately be met with failure.
Furthermore, our non-acceptance of galus prolongs the galus. Rabbi Yehuda Halevi describes a dialogue between the king of the Khazars and
a rabbi. The rabbi states that the Jewish people is closer to G-d today, in their humble state of exile, than if they were a mighty nation. The king asks: "That might be so if your humility were voluntary; but it is involuntary, and if you had power you would slay." The rabbi replies: "You have touched our weak spot, O King of the Khazars. If the majority of us had accepted our humble status for the sake of G-d and His Torah, G-d would not have forced us to bear it for such a long period. But only the smallest portion of our people thinks thus...If we bore our exile and degradation for G-d's sake, as we should, we would be outstanding even by the standards of the generation of the messianic era, for which we hope, and we would accelerate the day of our long-awaited deliverance." (Kuzari Maamar 1, 113-115)

Anonymous said...

Sorry for triple post. Please delete extra.

Dave Wilcox said...

Great post anonymous. Some comments.

It matters not what the "reasons" are for the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, and the Rabbis can debate it forever but still they are continuing to miss the significance of what happened over 2000 years ago. The fact remains that the end of the Old Testament Aeon or age was finalized with the destruction of Jerusalem, and the Second Temple in 70 AD when Christ came in power and glory in the guise of Roman Power to destroy the Jerusalem and the Temple. Jesus predicted this would happen, and it was first predicted in Daniel 9:25, and 12: 11-12. The Prince (Jesus) was slain and the sacrifices in the Temple were ceased by Roman power. Why would God use pagans like Rome to exact justice against his people? It is a clear pattern; whenever the Jewish people failed to hear the prophets warnings about their infidelity, or failed to be faithful to God, God would use the pagan powers to deliver his judgment (Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, Persia). Rome was the last of the great pagan powers (the beast with Iron Teeth) and as such it would be the final hammer which God would use to bring judgment upon the unrighteous.


The abomination that causes desolation was the Roman siege of Jerusalem, which went on for an extended period (1290-1335 days) and which resulted in widespread famine, disease, and death culminating with the Roman sack of the city and the burning of the Temple, abolishing the practice of animal sacrifice. The anointed one who was cut off was Jesus, his death being the catalyst for the abomination which causes desolation. These events signaled the end of the ancient Aeon, and the beginning of our Aeon, the age of Christ. This raises an interesting question: did Jesus return, that is COME AGAIN in 70 AD in the power of Rome? And if he did, is it not then a matter of PERCEPTION that keeps us from experiencing his Second Coming. Really, I am not saying I am right, but lets consider this for a minute. We know that human beings are capable of convincing themselves that lies are true, and that hallucinations can be so powerful as to fool us into believing they are real. So, what if for the last 2000 years we have been fed a lie so powerful, so all pervasive, that we believed it and as such it has caused us to be BLIND to the reality that when Jesus said on the cross "it is finished" it really was? What if the Roman Church, wanting to conserve material power and avoid its eventual destruction, managed to create a matrix centered around a future "coming" of Christ, which will never happen because it already did! And what if we only need to start living as if Christ came, and is here now, with us, empowering us, enlightening us, and demanding that we act with boldness, and stop further falling into the illusion!

When the people of God rise up and claim Christ's victory, there will be such a shaking of this planet, that the evil one's will shudder in fear. They will know that the matrix of lies they have spun for 2000 years has finally crumbled.

Why not let it happen now? Why wait?

Sandra said...

David W...Wow..Agree with this statement that you made: "And what if we only need to start living as if Christ came, and is here now, with us, empowering us, enlightening us, and demanding that we act with boldness, and stop further falling into the illusion" It is my belief that he is here with us and it is the spirit of Christ that I try to let control my thoughts and actions. To let go of the ego and let Christ work within us. His teachings have never been truly followed and it would change this world if believers really took him at his word and started living the teachings.

Christ is watching over his people to shake them awake to the error and lies of this world. To expose the matrix and to break free from those who believe in the golden calf of the stock market and corporate America. To break free of the consumer culture that runs this country. The matrix of this world loses its power when we seek the truth because as Jesus said the "Truth Shall Set You Free".. It is up to us to live our life not as the Pharisees of today but guided by Christ's love and compassion. To not make enemies but to try and understand where people are coming from with their ideas. Sometimes it is really hard to keep in that mode because some try to pull your strings and get you off the narrow road.

It was interesting reading your post.



Peace and Joy

Anonymous said...

While I agree with you I think you miss the meaning of my post.
It is true today as it was then that people use Torah & Bible to justify their sins. They may follow the letter of the law but do not go beyond that & seek the spirit of the law.
It is the same with christians. I believe Jesus went beyond the letter of the law & followed the spirit of the law but many christians use the words in their bible to justify their sinful nature.
If you will read again you will see I agree with you in that until we learn to follow the spirit of Gods word, to love & help one another then the messianic era will not come & as long as we do not we prolong the coming of the messianic era. I do not believe that the Messia will come until we are ready to accept him. I believe Jesus said just that in your bible.

Matthew 23:39
39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’”

Hope this post clears that up.
Thank you for reading & responding.

Dave Wilcox said...

Thanks for the response Sandra and Anonymous.

Great points, and I guess my post was saying Messiah came, was crucified, came again in glory, but still he remains unrecognized, and still his people await his coming instead of living boldly in his spirit. The matrix continues to blind us into hoping for messiah to return, yet how can he return when he already did his work? Daniel's 70th week was fulfilled in AD 70 by Rome, therefore the whole deal is done, it is simply a matter of claiming the victory Jesus won.

Anonymous said...

Christ is already here, existing in the many planes that are concentric with the earth space. We also inhabit these dimensions ourselves in parts of our being, and many have met the Christ during their time in these dimensions during sleep time sojournes. These encounters are suppressed from conscious recall because there is a battle still in progress to remove the last remnants of the hidden dark power structure. A certain amount of secrecy is required to insure a clean sweep of the impure elements so that a Golden Age can begin soon unpolluted. Too much divulged too soon only leads to delays as the dark opponents find new ways to defend their position and disrupt the process. Christ will only appear visibly along with all the other representatives of the other worlds that are here to see us graduate into the higher life. This can happen the instant our governments declare an end to their cover-up of the knowledge of ET civilizations and their presence here for thousands of years, and the relationship they have to us.
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Sandra said...

Think this might be off the subject but just wanted to say have a peaceful and restful weekend and have some fun along the way.

"To climb to the summit of a mountain you realize that everyone counts on a rope team. You're as strong as the weakest member of the rope team, and as fast as the slowest member of the rope team. In order for us to reach the hopes, dreams, and summits of our communities and nation, we must believe that everyone has a talent ... that everyone is essential ... that everyone has a God given purpose." (author unknown) Short inspirational link below...♥♥♥

http://www.beblessedmovie.com/

Dave Wilcox said...

Thanks Sandra, great inspiration!

Good to hear from you again.

Sandra said...

Just a thought on this passage that FF has for the topic in this discussion link:

Revelation 11:18

The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your saints and those who reverence your name,
both small and great—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth."

My question is : Does this passage mean that those that are destroying the earth through environmental pollution and wars are going to be destroyed? Doesn't this give some measure of credit to the environmental movement who are trying to say we are damaging our environment through greed and profit and that we need to change? So is corporate America going to be destoyed????Maybe my people who are trying to warn this country of the harm being done to mother earth were right after all. We are to respect the earth that God has given us and to walk gentle upon it trying to do our part in not adding to the damage already done.

If I am reading this right those that destroy the earth will be dealt with for polluting the world the Lord gave us. We are to be good stewards of mother earth and corp. America is polluting the waters, air and land.

faithful forever said...

Sandra, you have given me the holy goose bumps again. I love that and I love you my sister. Yes, 'they' will be destroyed who destroy God's creation. This Gulf of Mexico fiasco is more than what it seems. They know how short their time is and they want to destroy (kill) as many people as they can before their judgment comes. There are alleged oil 'spills' in China and Egypt as well. Of course your people were right. You cannot disrespect and destroy and kill without a price. These days sure make you understand and accept the Lord's vengence upon those who are waging 'war on terra.' Terra is latin for the earth and its' inhabitants. I don't know what you believe is happening in the Gulf, but it is not an accident and their New World Order agenda is being advanced. Cheney told us it would be 'bigger than 911' and unfortunately he is right. This will be bigger than 911 when people realize what is happening and what is going to happen because of it. Not to mention the food chain that has been destroyed.

So much to say, and such little time. Love and blessings to all.

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faithful forever said...

Tropical Storm Bonnie is forming and being watched closely for a weekend slam into the Gulf.

Here's an article on the oil tragedy in China:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38337393/ns/world_news-world_environment

The Bohemian Grove members are meeting this week with the height of the ceremonies taking place this weekend. Timely that Obama is on vacation.

Anonymous, thanks for clearing that up. I am not familiar with the sources you quoted and I appreciate the clarification. I don't know much about anything, but I know that if 'things' are left up to us, we will be in for a world of hurt. I believe there is a time and a purpose for everything with God. The timing is in His hands and He knows best. He tells us repeatedly to wait patiently on the Lord and there will be signs when the time is getting close. The time is getting close. He will not forsake His people and His people will hear and know His voice. I do not believe there is anything we can do to advance or hinder God's plan. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I hope you post more of them. May we all be blessed in our search for the truth according to His precious holy word.

Dave, if I look at it the way you propose it, God is playing a cruel joke on His people and I cannot and will not accept that. When our Savior died on the cross and said 'It is finished,' (Praise His holy name), it was because the purpose that His Father sent Him to do was done and fulfilled. He had taken on the sin of the world, He who knew no sin, and died to reconcile us to the Father. What a priceless gift but it is far from ending there.

Thanks for listening to my thoughts. It is my hope and prayer that He may be pleased with our discussion.

Sandra, I thought you might enjoy this. I love it when he says, 'the air belongs to everyone.'

http://theintelhub.com/2010/07/18/native-american-chief-condems-chemtrails-and-new-world-order-must-watch/

Love and peace in His name.

Sandra said...

FF,
Thanks for the link. I will go to it after I post this for you. Thought you might like this video link. The place where Chief Seeathl is buried I have 55 acres in which I have not developed and have kept it in it's natural state. I consider it a wildlife refuge and although land is being developed all around the land my ancestors land is still in its natural state. To me it is not my land but God's land. "Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother." Chief Seeathl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJrevZUb4fA&feature=player_embedded

Have a peaceful day my friend.♥♥♥

Dave Wilcox said...

Hi FF,

Thanks for responding, and great points. Your quote reads:

When our Savior died on the cross and said 'It is finished,' (Praise His holy name), it was because the purpose that His Father sent Him to do was done and fulfilled. He had taken on the sin of the world, He who knew no sin, and died to reconcile us to the Father. What a priceless gift but it is far from ending there.

If Jesus fulfilled his mission as you say, if he died and truly reconciled us to the Father, then what else needs to be done but for us, his people, to live that victory and accept it in our lives NOW? Or is God so powerless that he must send Jesus back to finish what Jesus himself said was finished on the cross 2000 years ago? What other things need to be done other than for his people to live the kingdom through works of faith, hope, love, and charity? You misunderstood what I was saying, I did not say that everyone had accepted the victory of Christ, only that Christ was victorious. He won, yet as Christians we live in fear of the power of darkness, the illuminati, the Rothchilds, the Nazis, Satan as if THEY won, and God has to come back to fix the freakin mess. We acts as if God has no dog in this fight (to quote Mel Gibson, and boy is he having quite a passion these days), but God does, and it is US, his people, yet if we refuse to act with power then of course the evil ones will claim the victory until we do. Fact is, Bush was defeated because so many Christians stood up and declared that the Christianity being used to justify his wars of agression and naked power grabs was illegitimate, and he was brought down.

Jesus said many times that the Kingdom of God is within, therefore you can never see it if you yourself are living as if it is not here in your life. Its a matter of perception, but of course it is much more than that. As a Christian, when you live with the Kingdom active within you, then it manifests in our world through you. You manifest Jesus to the world, through you. You are truly an adopted son or daughter of God.

The early Christians were a persecuted religious sect. Originally, they started as an offshoot of Judaism until their Jewish bretheren kicked them out of their Synagogues. Later, the power of Rome rose up against them. Anyone living at the time would never have bet that Christianity would survive long, never mind flourish and overcome Rome and Judaism within a couple of hundred years, but it did, because the early church lived with power, they lived the Kingdom each and every one of them and as a result, they saw their God vindicate them with great power and glory. Why cant we do the same?

Dave Wilcox said...

Psalm 118, a messianic psalm, expresses what I am trying to say more clearly than I can:

Psalm 118

1 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good;
his love endures forever.

2 Let Israel say:
"His love endures forever."

3 Let the house of Aaron say:
"His love endures forever."

4 Let those who fear the LORD say:
"His love endures forever."

5 In my anguish I cried to the LORD,
and he answered by setting me free.

6 The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid.
What can man do to me?

7 The LORD is with me; he is my helper.
I will look in triumph on my enemies.

8 It is better to take refuge in the LORD
than to trust in man.

9 It is better to take refuge in the LORD
than to trust in princes.

10 All the nations surrounded me,
but in the name of the LORD I cut them off.

11 They surrounded me on every side,
but in the name of the LORD I cut them off.

12 They swarmed around me like bees,
but they died out as quickly as burning thorns;
in the name of the LORD I cut them off.

13 I was pushed back and about to fall,
but the LORD helped me.

14 The LORD is my strength and my song;
he has become my salvation.

15 Shouts of joy and victory
resound in the tents of the righteous:
"The LORD's right hand has done mighty things!

16 The LORD's right hand is lifted high;
the LORD's right hand has done mighty things!"

17 I will not die but live,
and will proclaim what the LORD has done.

18 The LORD has chastened me severely,
but he has not given me over to death.

19 Open for me the gates of righteousness;
I will enter and give thanks to the LORD.

20 This is the gate of the LORD
through which the righteous may enter.

21 I will give you thanks, for you answered me;
you have become my salvation.

22 The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;

23 the LORD has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes.

24 This is the day the LORD has made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it.

25 O LORD, save us;
O LORD, grant us success.

26 Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD.
From the house of the LORD we bless you. [a]

27 The LORD is God,
and he has made his light shine upon us.
With boughs in hand, join in the festal procession
up [b] to the horns of the altar.

28 You are my God, and I will give you thanks;
you are my God, and I will exalt you.

29 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good;
his love endures forever.

faithful forever said...

Greetings Dave with love in His holy name.

The Lord's people today are enslaved just as the Tribes of Israel were enslaved in Egypt. The difference being we are blessed to have the Holy Spirit. Moses had to wait on the Lord for instruction and guidance in order to free the slaves from their captivity. His people then could not have done it alone just as we cannot do it alone. But even still our Lord provides everything spiritually that we need to survive our bondage until He physically returns to redeem us.

We also will see our Lord vindicate us with great power and glory. Just as the ancient Israelites had to wait on the Lord, so do we. The Kingdom of God is within because His Spirit dwells in us, but His physical Kingdom, the New Jerusalem, has not come to earth yet. This is why we wait lovingly, longingly, faithfully and patiently on the Lord. We need Him just as the Israelites did and we cannot leave Him out of the equation. We cannot do it alone.

In Malachi 4:5 the Lord tells us before the great and awful day of the Lord, He will send us the spirit of Elijah. Before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the Lord will send to the Church the “spirit of Elijah,” that
is, the spirit that He put within Elijah and which empowered him to minister. It is the spirit of both
boldness to proclaim the Kingdom of God as well as manifest power to demonstrate that our God is the
only true God.

Many people refer to the endtimes of 'the end of the world' but really it is a restoration. Only God can do this, and God WILL DO THIS because He has told us He will do this and He is faithful. This is why we need not fear. Will He turn all His people into powerful Elijah's, or maybe only the 144,000; I do not know. There are still prophecies that are sealed up until the end, but I do know that it is going to be a most amazing time once the Lord begins to restore what has been broken for so long.

Trust in the Lord and the Lord alone, for He alone is the salvation of the world. Vengence belongs to Him whom they slain, but how great is our God who will use His people to trodden the enemy under our feet in essence making us all one with Him.

I rejoice for all that the Lord has done, is doing and for all that is to come.

I pray that I have not taken away or added anything to His word and have given hope in the Lord as He is, as always, our only hope.

Peace in His name, with love.

Dave Wilcox said...

Thanks for the response FF, and I enjoyed reading it. A question, what are we to make of the first lines of the Book of Revelation?


The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.


What did John mean, the time is near? Did he mean near as in 2000 years, or near in the sense that those reading his words at the time he penned them could very well see these things come to pass?

And what about verses 4-8:


4John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
7Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."


I will highlight verse 5 for consideration in our discussion:

5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

I submit that if Jesus rules the Kings of the Earth, then the Kingdom came in the first century, after Jesus ministry, death, and resurrection. It is already here, at least this is what John believed.

Dublin Mick said...

http://dublinmick.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/the-tragic-story-of-dr-wilhelm-reich-and-the-death-grip-of-the-black-robes-on-western-society/

And Jesus answered: “Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. I tell you truly, Moses received not his laws from God in writing, but through the living word. The law is living word of living God to living prophets for living men. In everything that is life is the law written. You find it in the grass, in the tree, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea; but seek it chiefly in yourselves. For I tell you truly, all living things are nearer to God than the scripture which is without life. God so made life and all living things that they might by the everlasting word teach the laws of the true God to man.

God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit. They are in your breath, your blood, your bone; in your flesh, your bowels, your eyes, your ears, and in every little part of your body. They are present in the air, in the water, in the earth, in the plants, in th e sunbeams, in the depths and in the heights. They all speak to you that you may understand the tongue and the will of the living God. But you shut your eyes that you may not see, and you shut your ears that you may not hear. I tell you truly, that the scripture is the work of man, but life and all its hosts are the work of our God. Wherefore do you not listen to the words of God which are written in His works? And wherefore do you study the dead scriptures which are the work of the hands of men?”

http://www.thenazareneway.com/index_essene_gospels_of_peace.htm

Dave Wilcox said...

Hello Dublin Mick,

Thanks for the post. I have read the Essene Gospels of Peace before, and they are interesting to read. I also went to your site, and have read many of the topics you have posted there before as well.

I suppose I have a problem with the idea of scriptures being "dead." If God is a vital force, and human beings can tap into that vital force, then scripture could be alive with the remnants of this force. Of course, God is so much more than this, his spirit is but one aspect. And the scriptures testify to this.

Sandra said...

FF,
I hope it is ok to add to yours and Dave's discussion.

The Lord frees us from enslavement. He works through us to give us his truth and than we carry that out into the world. Christian people have become enslaved to this world through debt and lies. It is up to us to break through those lies and to get out of debt and not allow the consumer culture to control our lives. Once you are free and not worried about what you should wear or where your next meal will come from than you are truly able to live a life of freedom because you no longer are indebted to Corporate America. You become free of the matrix of deception and are able to truly live a life of helping others which Jesus instructed us to do. To always be with the poor and never with the rich who control this world. They will face their own destruction as is happening now with those who put their trust in money. The prosperity movement will crumble as those who listened to this wake up to the illusion.

Jesus is in each of us who have accepted him as our personal savior and put his teachings into practice. Could not that be considered the second coming? His spirit coming to each of us and working in us to make the world a better place. I am not saying it is but I have wondered about that so this discussion you are having with Dave has my interest.The test is what will we do with our life once we allow Jesus to rule in our heart and soul. Too many preachers don't tell the truth about our obligation once we have accepted Jesus. We don't just dump all our sins on him at the cross and go on sinning and asking for forgiveness over and over again. We take up our cross and follow him. There will always be a struggle between Jesus and the ego but as we lessen our pride and let the ego go we realize that our journey here is to serve and not to be served. We rebuke the ego and become meek. The meek will inherit the earth. Jesus taught it and I believe it.


Jesus was God's voice to the world which was not just protests against the domination system, but an advocate of God's justice. God's justice is about social justice. God's justice is about the equitable distribution of God's earth, and a passion for God's justice sets us against all of those systems designed by people in their own narrow self-interests to benefit the few at the expense of the many.

Justice and compassion are not opposites or different things, but justice is the social and political form of caring for the least of these. If we take Jesus seriously, we are called to be both compassion and justice. The Gospel of Jesus is ultimately very simple. There is nothing complicated about this at all. It's taking seriously your relationship to God and taking seriously caring what God cares about in the world.

Great discussion and I do see good points in both FF and Dave's discussion. We are not enemies trying to win in a discussion but in trying to understand each other. Both of you love the Lord and have different interruptions' of the last days.

I am learning daily on my journey home to the Father. I hope this is taken in the spirit it was given.

Dublin Mick
Welcome to the discussion group. In my opinion the scriptures are alive once you put in action the teachings. For those who quote scripture but in their daily life do not live up to the teachings are hypocrites for they say one thing and do another. That is why Jesus taught against the Pharisees. Scriptures become alive in our hearts and soul as we go about doing the Lord's work.

Love and peace

Dublin Mick said...

Well certainly you are correct as even a rock has an energy field. This is not to say the written word is not a valuable tool it can be. Many however have a tendency to make it the entire focus.

Anything written is subject to error and outright duplicitousness. We all have to consider what rings true for us. Just as in the Essene Gospel however, notice Jesus did not hand out books to follow. He urged all to follow the law of life for their teachings. So no great cathedrals or books were advocated as these are once again the works of man.

I keep this link handy as religion can be such a large topic to really present ones views in a forum context.

http://wwwcampfire.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-perspectives-on-old-subject_16.html

Dublin Mick said...

Interesting comments but I must say Jesus was the son of the Christos, not the Christos. He was the emissary and teacher on behalf of the Christos. His name is not Jesus Christ it is Jesus Barabbas.

The Christos is in everyone as it is the vital force, living energy and eternal light. It was here before Jesus and is here now. It has always been here and always will be. It is not this concept of Jesus that allows living creatures to draw breath but the living light itself. When you leave this life it is this living light which will embrace you and not a concept.

No matter which religion one follows, it is the Christos which animates and gives them life, whether they realize it or not. The rain falls on the good as well as the bad. Most of the eastern religions as well as native Americans understand this concept and seek the law of life and the preservation of the earth which gives them life in conjunction with the living energy.

Dave Wilcox said...

Hello Sandra,

Love this comment:


Too many preachers don't tell the truth about our obligation once we have accepted Jesus. We don't just dump all our sins on him at the cross and go on sinning and asking for forgiveness over and over again. We take up our cross and follow him. There will always be a struggle between Jesus and the ego but as we lessen our pride and let the ego go we realize that our journey here is to serve and not to be served. We rebuke the ego and become meek. The meek will inherit the earth. Jesus taught it and I believe it.


Unfortunately, Christian Churches do not challenge folks to imitate the master, but to only worship him as a deity, which is appropriate of course, but this allows them to maintain control by making Sunday Worship the pinnacle of Christian life (and of course, the collection plate gets passed on Sunday) This fools people into believing they can continue sinning, praying, and of course donating as a substitute for real Christian Social Justice.

Dublin Mick,

I agree with you on all counts, there is no doubt that the Christ principle, or the Logos is eternal and has been a part of creation from the beginning. The master embodied this principle to such a degree that it transformed humanity forever, giving him the title Jesus the Christ (its not his name of course, its a title). Thanks for your comments, very interesting.

Sandra said...

Agree that we must always be wise in dealing with other beliefs. The teachings of Christ do come alive in those who follow his ways and his spirit will guide you in all truth. I was given a video from a friend on "The Secret" and was asked to watch it. I did watch it but the message I got from it was "if" you believe this you will gain power and material wealth in this world. My Christ conscience rejected it and I was reminded about the temptation in the desert. Expressed that to my friend and although she rejected my views she respect what I had to say. Shortly after I watched this video an activity that was sponsored by the "Secret" organization was in the news. The link below will show you the Indian response to this tragedy. So in a sense I spit out the meat along with the bones in this instance. Did not want any part of their philosophy.

http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/opinion/64486777.html

New Agers try to take what is sacred of my people and exploit it for personal gain. The land is sacred to Natives and we respect it but we do not worship it. We take care of it because it is a gift from our creator. The christians who came here claimed we were worshipping the creation not the creator so we had to be "Christianized" and the land taken away because we were not exploiting it for personal gain but just using what we needed.


"I no longer live, but Christ lives in me"