Friday, May 1, 2009

The Grand Inquisitor

Wanted to offer this parable from Dostoyevsky's The Brother's Karamazov. In many ways, Dostoyevsky was a prophet, in that he saw clearly what type of beast would emerge during our life time, the same beast that ruled the Church of Rome for centuries. I hope everyone enjoys reading it, or re-reading it as the case may be.


http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/grand.htm

76 comments:

Sandra said...

NathanDave,
I copied the article and read it over coffee this morning. It is my day off and what a way to start the day. To go through the 3 temptations of Christ and to see how it fits in with todays journey for all called by his name.

Matthew 4:3-10 (New International Version)

3The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."

4Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'[a]"

5Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
" 'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'[b]"

7Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'[c]"

8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."

10Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'[d]"

I am still absorbing the story but we are all faced with these temptations on a daily bases at work or home.

Bread...will we compromise our integrity for the bread of this world (manna)

Greed.....what we need vs what we want. Will we throw ourselves down to the beast of this world to get what we want.

Power...will we compromise our love for God for the admiration of this world and it's riches. Worshipping the God of this world.

I believe the Roman church fits with this worldly power and has compromised the message of Jesus. The powerful in the church has followed the tempter in the wilderness. Just look at it's palace in Rome. Riches of this world.

Thanks for the link.

NathanDave said...

Sandra,

Great insights! I agree, the parable clearly shows the temptation narrative in its true light: that the "mystery" of human rebellion against God is tied up in these three temptations from Satan: Miracle, Mystery, and Authority. Whoever provides bread (economics) mystery (a reason to live, or something to strive and live for) and Authority(fear of death and damnation at the hands of a god-like authority)can control humanity. Jesus chose to leave humans free to choose God's way in love, "I do the works of the one who sent me." Every time we compromise with this world we lose faith and fall into sin. If Jesus compromised, he would have failed and Satan would have long ago taken control of the planet. But he was fiathful unto death, even death on a cross. Jesus and the early church found a way to be in the world but not of it. We must do the same.

Sandra said...

NathanDave,
After I wrote that comment I was reminded about the first temptation of turning stone to bread with Jesus being tempted to show a miracle. I see the temptation out here all the time with those hoping for a miracle by going to the casino or buying a lottery ticket praying for a miracle of winning it big. Some do win but at what cost. They just get addicted to keep going back.

Anyway it is a beautiful day here in Washington and I just feel blessed with the link you gave and I am going to go out and enjoy the sun. Have a good weekend my brother. :)

faithful forever said...

Great link and even better comments and insights. Greetings to all. Boy, we don't have literature written like that anymore. I found it to be very powerful and compelling.

It also answered a very important question for me regarding a comment someone made recently about God's creation (mankind) being a 'flawed' creation in the context that the Lord is to blame for our fallen state. I was shocked and perplexed that someone would suggest much less believe that the Lord made an error, but now I understand. I love that when that happens - God is so good. And so perfect. His enemies believe the rest is up to them - just as the Deists. I see it more clearly and feel tremendously blessed. And they believe He can't and won't stop them. Soon, may they be getting some hints that they are very, very much mistaken indeed. Their time is growing short. I believe we are going to see miracles on earth again. I rejoice and give thanks. Come Lord Jesus, come.

The truth is such a beautiful thing. As are His people. I am deeply honored to be in the company of those who come here in worship of Him and in search of truth. Love and His peace be with us all.

I have read rumors/reports of Asian soldiers being present in Mexico, and now this with Iran and China aligning even more:

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=288120&version=1&template_id=43&parent_id=19

While China cancels our credit card; no more debt as money can mean trouble ahead:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090430/pl_afp/financeeconomyuschinabonds

Interesting times indeed.

Stay blessed and keep looking up. For our Lord is preparing a most amazing wedding feast for those who belong to Him. Until then He says His endtime Church is going to be more glorified than His beginning Church and we all know how amazing His first Church was.

This year the Lord's Ascension Day is recognized as May 21st. It caught my attention when I flipped the calendar, and feel compelled to mention it. We are in for a lot of things we are not going to be expecting. As nathandave once said, 'it is not going to happen the way anyone thinks it is' and it is so true, but our Lord is going to guide us and be with us every step (feet) of the way. This I know for certain and therefore, there is nothing to fear. He has already set us free from the lies and the chains that bind and there are more blessings, more than we can imagine, in store. Be of good courage always for what He has done and all that is to come.

Anonymous said...

This is a sick world. I can imagine the terror this little girl experienced before she was excuted. I feel a gut-level revulsion when I read this article. I am not sure what lesser crime the ayatollahs and the mullahs commit every day and deserve to live. How many little ones are suffering injustice in our world in the name of religion, God or Allah? How many innocent children are being sacrified to Satan by the dark forces of TPTB? Be it the Mullahs or the Ayatollahs or the Illuminatis or the Rabbis, they are all doing favour to their father the devil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8030437.stm

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

From your comment Annon, I can't read it. Surely they are angering the One who knows everything. May they not be doing favour to their father the devil for very much longer.

The world is on fire:

http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/02/videos-may-day-marked-around-the-world-with-protest-violence/

faithful forever said...

A '60 Minutes' interview with Bob Dylan that I had never seen before and wanted to share it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5Mw0qDTSY&feature=related

faithful forever said...

A new word from Ned Doughery. I report, you decide:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10625

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

faithful forever said...

Interesting article, if not the title - for ONLY Jesus can change it:

http://www.russiatoday.com/Politics/2009-05-04/_Not_even_Jesus_could_reverse_the_decline_in_the_US_.html?fullstory

faithful forever said...

Isaiah 66:22-24 (King James Version)

22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Amen. How great is our God and all His ways.

Love to all.

NathanDave said...

Interesting:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gjMHJ8Y90s


You decide.....

faithful forever said...

I just got a chance to watch it finally, nathandave, and thanks for posting it. Very revealing. I agree with our sister (and I know she is) who posted this that there are a lot of strange things about this man; he speaks with a forked tongue and has two faces.

So much I would like to say, but got to run, and thanks again for sharing that. I also found it interesting that there were no comments. What a great find.

Interesting times indeed; like no other. Our God reigns now and forever. Come Lord Jesus, come quickly.

Love to all. Be wise and be gentle, and of good courage. His people have much to rejoice about and I give thanks. Peace in His precious holy name.

faithful forever said...

Greetings.

Our world is very busy.

NATO holding wargames in Georgia much to Russia's dislike; the Pope is visiting the Holy Land next week, but not Gaza. The next Bildeberger meeting is convening in Greece. Alaska's Mt. Redoubt is rumbling again and an underwater volcano near Guam has been continuously erupting:

http://news.aol.com/article/underwater-volcano/465396

California is experiencing wildfires:

http://news.aol.com/?feature=465851


Bank of America is claiming it needs $34 billion more? I guess it's true what they say, enough is never enough. Greed knows no bounds.

Airstrikes by the US in Afghanistan have killed dozens of civilians, and Pakistan is fighting the Taliban and creating hundreds of thousands of refugees:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13493

Lamentations 3:22 (King James Version)

22It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

Amen. Our God reigns.
Love and peace to all, always.

faithful forever said...

Ahmadinejad has postponed his trip to Brazil. More suffering:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090506/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_brazil_floods

faithful forever said...

The Word of God has been weaponized by our military and it is now being revealed. I am including two links from DemocracyNow! regarding how our service men are deceived into thinking God is on their side. A few years back I was shocked to hear a man by the name of James Yee talk about prisoner treatment at Guantanamo in which they were forced to lay on a pentagram while being told by their guards that 'Satan is their god, not Allah.' You can do your own search, but I chose this one because it also has a video link as well as the written transcript:

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/5/22/ex_guantanamo_chaplain_james_yee_on

More recently, it is being slightly reported on about the current situation in Afghanistan. Once again DemocracyNow! has a great link. These soldiers are not the fringe element, but rather the norm:

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/6/the_crusade_for_a_christian_military

PursuingTruth has a new post and I hope everyone takes some time to check it out. He shows a survey in which most 'churchgoers' support torture. I read another recent survey that showed that 66% (interesting figure) of Israelis were in favor of an airstrike on Iran. These are not the ways of God and what He desires. The deception is so deep and so many are being led astray. Heavy sigh.

All is being revealed for those who have not been blinded. The deception is growing so much that if it were possible, even the elect would be deceived.

Missing everyone again...

Love and His peace and strength to all.

Balor said...

Greetings from Derry, Northern Ireland.

In 2 Kings we read of a King Josiah of Israel who "did what was pleasing to the Lord." This was after years of kings who did what was displeasing to the Lord.

Even after abolishing the idols and foreign shrines and restoring the correct religion, the prophecy was still that the Kingdom of Judah would be destroyed: "However,
the Lord did not turn away from His awesome wrath which had blazed up against Judah because of all the things Manasseh did to vex Him." - II Kings 23:26 JPS version

So much for repentance! All it got Josiah was a promise that he would not live to see the disaster G-d had planned. When Pharoh Neco invaded, poor Josiah went out to his death.

Even if Jesus were President, he would not be able to stop the decline of the USA - this is just an exagerated way of saying that the USA created more problems for itself than it can ever fix.

Anonymous said...

Good story ND & lots of good articles & posts from the rest of you all.
Good stuff, keep shining.

NathanDave said...

Thanks Anonymous.

Balor, I agree. Even if Jesus were President (wait, I thought that was GW was Jesus!) America is in deep trouble. The fact is, America's elites are going to have to make a choice at some point: either they are content to be citizens of the world like every other nation, or they will continue on the Imperial road we are on now. If they do, then Facism is the only option to maintaining the New World Order they are instituting. Signs are indicating that the Elites of the US are heading down the road to Facism, and it is not a matter of how but when. Obama was necessary to stall for time, because one little reported story was how close the US was during the Bush years to open revolt.

So Obama expands the war in Afganistan, and there is no sign of withdrawl from Iraq. The elites are using the econonomic crash to rape the US treasury and break unions and attack the Middle Class. Is Obama the guy to put a human face on facism? Or will he be "removed" like JFK? I think the former, but in any case, America is toast. Time to start planning,maybe for evacuation?

NathanDave said...

I also think that the religious right is not finished. They will be the driving theological force of this new American Facism. The conneciton between the elites of the NWO and American Christians and Jews is staggering.

faithful forever said...

I believe the elites (the illuminated or enlightened ones) are bringing the whole world, not just the US, into their twisted New World Order. Their NWO is their very badly misguided and mistaken belief 'they' are finishing God's work that is a flawed design thus making themselves 'god' and mocking Him while they do it. A very dangerous situation to be involved even at the lowest levels in any of the many tentacles. The names have changed throughout the the ages of history, but the spirit remains just the same. The same spirit that had him tortured and crucified is alive today. The Lord tells us that there is nothing new under the sun and His persecutors will persecute His people who are on the earth today. They believe they have a right to rule over the world with an iron fist because our Lord will never come back and stop them; He is too weak and He has made His followers weak. They are so deceived. And their time is short.

This is written and the Lord has a plan and this is more than sufficient for me. Trust Him completely in ALL things, even tribulation, and you will see there is no reason to fear anything for He who is is us is FAR greater than he (satan) that is in this world. The Lord will tell His people when it is time to run for the hills and He will provide. We are told not to fear or even be anxious about anything that we see happening and this has to be because He will protect His flock. We are all being tried and tested, run through the fire and refined. Whether we are aware or not so much. Are we calling on the Lord for comfort and strength, and praising Him for the many blessings we are receiving everyday, or are our hearts shaking as the world is being shaken. We fear when we do not trust God. This is why we are not to fear.

Today was a 'National Day of Prayer' and I can't help but wonder of the collective essence of our national prayer, if there even was one. If existed, would it have been pleasing to our Lord?

Nice to have you check in from N. Ireland, Balor. Even from afar you perplex me. Don't get me wrong, sometimes it's good to be perplexed and at least you are consistent no matter where you are! You make repentence sound like a bad thing; not worth it at all. It's the rewards in Heaven that really count. What can this world offer that compares to the treasures of Heaven...nothing.

Something we don't see every day here in the 'Western' part of the world:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=421

A new crop circle for whatever it is worth, and whatever they mean and whatever is making them:

http://www.silentcircle.co.uk/man..html

All that has been hidden in secret will be revealed.

Nice to have you here among us as well, anonymous. The encouragement was a blessing.

Be of good courage because our redemption is drawing near.

Love and prayers to all. Stay blessed and keep looking up; call upon His name.

faithful forever said...

An article about the Pope's visit to Israel next week:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,623655,00.html

faithful forever said...

Excerpt from the following article regarding the fire in Santa Barbara, CA. The 'nickname' struck me as unusual:

Fires fueled by strong winds continued to rage across Santa Barbara County in California on the morning of May 7, 2009. The fire, which began at about 1:45 p.m. on May 5, 2009, was dubbed the "Jesusita Fire."

http://www.mahalo.com/Santa_Barbara_Fire

faithful forever said...

Jesusita is the name of the trail/valley where the fire started in a most difficult place to fight it:

http://www.independent.com/news/2009/may/06/jesusita-fire-starts-small-grows-quickly/

faithful forever said...

For all those Sun worshippers:

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/05/1st-major-solar-flare-return-to-normal.html

faithful forever said...

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Romans 8:18 KJV

Anonymous said...

Hi all

http://www.cephas-library.com/masonry_obama_32nd_degree_prince_hall_mason.html

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

"It will definitely not contribute to calm."

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_Russia_relations_hurt_by_NATO_wa_05102009.html

Anonymous said...

Greetings from Galway, Republic of Ireland.

The economy here is hitting the skids. By the end of the year there is expected to be 500,000 unemployed. Bear in mind that Ireland has a population of roughly 5 million; of which approximately 2.5 million are of working age at any given time. Although half a million unemployed doesn't seem much to us Yanks, here it is a staggering figure.

Public opinion here is a breath of fresh air. I've mentioned to a number of people in pubs and whatnot that Bush was, in my view, the antichrist of my generation. Without fail my listeners have been dismissive of the notion, but were much more shocked by the statics provided by the National Assessment of Adult Literacy which revealed 49% of the American adult population was functionally illiterate. "How could America ever have reelected Bush?" puzzled them. Now they know.

Cheers!

Balor said...

The economy here is hitting the skids. By the end of the year there is expected to be 500,000 unemployed. Bear in mind that Ireland has a population of roughly 5 million; of which approximately 2.5 million are of working age at any given time. Although half a million unemployed doesn't seem much to us Yanks, here it is a staggering figure.

Public opinion here is a breath of fresh air. I've mentioned to a number of people in pubs and whatnot that Bush was, in my view, the antichrist of my generation. Without fail my listeners have been dismissive of the notion, but were much more shocked by the statics provided by the National Assessment of Adult Literacy which revealed 49% of the American adult population was functionally illiterate. "How could America ever have reelected Bush?" puzzled them. Now they know.

Cheers!

Ali said...

No comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obho7uBg3-A

Keep the faith,
Ali,

Anonymous said...

On Af-Pak: Stop "Helping"

http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?BLOG,tx14_paul,blog,999,All,Item%20not%20found,ID=090511_2895,TEMPLATE=postingdetail.shtml

faithful forever said...

Speaking the truth will soon be a crime, H.R. 1913:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1913/text

Balor said...

ff:

According to your link:

"OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

‘(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; andCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

‘(B) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

‘(i) death results from the offense; orCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

‘(ii) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill."

Could you please identify where "speaking the truth" is made illegal?

I took a trip through Connemara today. We passed through a famine village. What an eye-opener into the past! The ruins of the houses of people who left/were evicted were left standing. The locals refuse to tear them down or refurbish them under a superstitious belief that the spirits of those who once lived there still are there.

faithful forever said...

Balor,

I am glad it sounds like you are enjoying your trip. Just as those locals who refuse to tear down the ruins for their beliefs that the spirits of those who once lived there are still there...I would like to retain my beliefs without them being a crime. You may think this bill is innocent by the pieces you picked out, and that is fine if that is the way you want to 'see' it, but there is much more to it than that.

What if I speak out or write about my opposition to Zionism and all it stands for, I am guilty of hating Israelis that is punishable by whatever they deem necessary?

I am sure with all the intelligence you possess, you can imagine the unpleasant reprecussions.

http://christianvoicemagazine.com/main?/americanprophet/more/588/

faithful forever said...

One more link:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10098/hr1913.pdf

Why does the Federal government want to pay State and local municipalities to investigate and prosecute hate crimes? Is it because they care about us?

It has always been against the law to cause another bodily injury as far as I understood it, so this Bill is not what it seems. The timing of the comments from Ms. California are of no coincidence either.

Just as Napalatino's (sp) article addressing 'right wing extremists' as a national threat in reference to Afghanistan and Iraq war vets, and now we have huge headlines of the soldier that opened fire on his friendlies killing five and injuring others.

Everything is happening for a reason.

...Even the pope visiting Jesus' baptism site before going to the Dome of the Rock while the vatican defends him being a hitler youth while he spouts off about the holocaust victims never being forgotten.

The more desperate they get, the more transparent they are, and Jesus' words of everything that has been kept secret will be revealed and it is happening now. Their time is short.

Balor said...

FF:

Greetings from Baile Atha Cliath (Dublin)

I don't mean to give offense. Here is a part from the link you posted:

"The ‘hate crimes bill’ is an affront to states sovereignty and if misinterpreted by any level of law enforcement will quickly become a ‘thought policing’ bill to wrest even more freedoms from the average citizen by essentially demanding that special groups get special justice."

Who says it will become a 'thought policing' bill? I didn't see anything in it regarding hate speech.

What concerns me about the bill is that it will be used as a tool to suppress the right of workers to act collectively. Joining a union, participating in a strike, these could be interpreted as "hate crimes" by pro-business judges.

Liberals like Barney Frank are often good-intentioned when they support legislation like this, but they often fail to see the club they are handing to their enemies.

I'm here in Ireland for another day, and then back to the states.

Kind regards.

faithful forever said...

Balor,

Kind regards to you as well my friend and brother. Hope your last day is the best yet of the trip and you arrive safe and refreshed.

It is good to be on the same page again, and I apologize for my abruptness. Hope you can forgive me again.

Where this Bill can start and end will remain to be seen I suppose. Maybe it is only a psyop more than anything; I don't know.

An excerpt from the link:

How Will New Hate Crimes Bill Affect Your Free Speech? Our last president was ridiculed for claiming to have peered into Vladimir Putin's eyes and gotten, in his words, a "sense of his soul." Our current president wants to do something even more audacious: to peer into your mind to get a sense of your thoughts. And if he finds them insufficiently accepting of homosexuality, he may want to lock you up.

http://www.akdart.com/hate-c.html

Love and peace to you wherever you may be! And to all.

faithful forever said...

One more link with background to this new Bill for anyone who may be interested:

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/whosbehindpedoprotectact.htm

What a world!

Still, I am of good courage. How great is our God.

faithful forever said...

Name above ALL names, Jesus Messiah. Hope you enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M5s5s6KOck&feature=related

faithful forever said...

Interesting article, and the way I see this new Bill:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10691

faithful forever said...

Revelation 19:12-16 (King James Version)

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Amen.

I cannot explain or understand why it has gotten so quiet in our little community which is in stark contrast to our current condition, but my love and prayers go out to all who are seeking Him as time is growing short.

Many leaders in the Middle East are calling for Israel to 'immediately' accept a two-state solution while the pope is calling for peace and standing in every place our Lord and Savior made Holy by His presence. I do not believe this is of any small coincidence, and press upon people to pray for His will to be done on earth.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone else tired of the ranting of the right wing scare tactics? Can't people think for themselves anymore? This is getting old.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_the_hate_crimes_bill_make_it.html

Done said...

Those who believe the end of the world is near are waiting for the “antichrist” to appear, but the prophecies are not clear that there will even be an antichrist. The word antichrist was only used in the Bible to describe false religion. There are prophecies that do seem to describe an evil political leader in the end-times, and it is believed that many or all of these different prophecies are talking about one individual who is referred to as the “antichrist”, but the prophecies never actually say that all of the various passages are talking about the same person. The different prophecies could be describing several different nations or political leaders over a period of time leading up to the end, so that there is no one single person or “antichrist” who fulfills all the prophecies. Not only might the prophecies be fulfilled by more than one person, the fulfillment of many of the prophecies could be nothing more than road markers and the person who fulfills the prophecy could be no more evil than the average person.

One of recent history’s top contenders for antichrist was Ronald Wilson Reagan. Reagan had 666 in his name, and having six characters in three names is more impressive than numerology since numerology can derive 666 from many names.

One of the heads of the beast will survive a fatal head wound and James Brady, who was Reagan's press secretary, was shot through the brain; yet survived. Reagan commanded the world's greatest military which is consistent with prophecy. The beast leads into captivity and is led into captivity. Reagan literally led into captivity perhaps with Iran-Contra but certainly with his policy towards Iran which encouraged hostage taking in Beirut. Reagan was led into captivity as Alzheimer’s has been compared to being in a dark dungeon. Reagan seemed to slip in and out of senility during the re-election campaign of 1984. This would be the advancement of Alzheimer’s and it means that Reagan had three and a half years to continue his agenda before he was greatly reduced as a leader by Alzheimer’s. The beast is not said to govern for three and a half years; the prophecy says that power is given to him to continue for three and a half years.

Reagan left office, which naturally proved to everyone that Reagan was not the antichrist. Reagan’s fulfillment of prophecy is seen as insignificant by everyone since Reagan did not fulfill all the prophecies in the Bible that are attributed to the antichrist. Even Reagan’s harshest critics would have to admit that many leaders have been more evil than Reagan, and it is assumed that the mythical “antichrist” will be the most evil person in the history of the world. The coming of an evil political leader called the “antichrist” is only an interpretation of the prophecies no matter how universally accepted it is. Even if Reagan was a decent man, and even if he did not fulfill all the prophecies that are attributed to the alleged "antichrist", this does not change the fact that Reagan fits the description of the first beast of Revelation. Reagan was amazingly consistent with the words of that particular prophecy even if he was inconsistent with the dominant interpretation of prophecy which insists that all the different passages must be tied together and there must be one person who fulfills everything.

Another top contender for the “antichrist” was George W. Bush. Like Reagan before him, Bush was not consistent with all of the prophecies of the “antichrist”, but while Reagan was consistent with the first beast of Revelation, Bush was consistent with the second beast of Revelation. The second beast has two horns, and there are two presidents with one name. Actually, their names are different and that is why the son is not called George Bush Jr. Their names are George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush, but the name both men have used in public is George Bush. Their names are not George Bush and George Bush Jr.; their names are George Bush and George Bush. They do have the same name, and it caused a little confusion at times. The second beast was, is not, and yet at the same time is. When George W. Bush was president and George H. W. Bush was a former president, it could be said that George Bush was, is not, and yet at the same time is.

Before Bush it was hard to imagine how this prophecy could be fulfilled by a person, leading many to claim that is was describing a nation even though the second beast is clearly spoken of as a person. This is a person who existed, went away, and came back as a different person. Some have said it is talking about reincarnation, but reincarnation would not be much of a sign. It would be impossible to prove or disprove that someone is the reincarnation of someone else. This prophecy never made a lot of sense, but now it does because Bush's fulfillment of the prophecy shows how the prophecy can be fulfilled.

The second best is called a false prophet, yet he is said to have the same authority as the first beast who was a political leader. George Bush held the same office and had the same authority as Reagan. As far as being a false prophet, some modern-day Christians will boldly proclaim themselves to be prophets. Since they believe that God talks or communicates with them on a regular basis, it is only natural that they see themselves like Isaiah or Daniel or any other prophet. George W. Bush seems to be one of those Christians and he sometimes speaks as if he is a prophet or on a mission from God. Christians should be more careful when making these bold claims. Anyone who falsely claims to be a prophet is a false prophet.

Once again, Bush has left office, and those who believed him to be the antichrist are forced to admit that they were wrong, but they may not be entirely wrong. If there is no “antichrist”, then certainly George Bush was not the antichrist, but this does not rule out the possibility that George Bush was the second beast of Revelation.

It is true that the world did not end under Reagan or Bush, but that is the whole point. Neither Reagan, nor Bush is the antichrist since there is no antichrist. Reagan and Bush were foretold in Revelation, and their fulfillment of prophecy shows that we are in the end-times. As Armageddon approaches, events may fit the prophecies perfectly, and yet have no resemblance to the common interpretation of the prophecies so that no one notices that the prophecies are being fulfilled. Many prophecies are being fulfilled in a way that none of the religious leaders expected, and it’s being fulfilled by politicians that many religious leaders tend to support. So Christians are not noticing what is happening as they wait for the mythical “antichrist” to appear. Those who oppose Reagan and Bush tend to be liberals who often do not believe in God; but if they do believe in God, they do not believe in Armageddon and the end-time fulfillment of Daniel and Revelation. Based on the stories in the Bible, it should be expected that the end will occur in a way that no one, or almost no one, expects.

It is certainly much harder to predict future events based on prophecy; but as we go forward towards Armageddon and the second coming of Christ, we should not look for the fulfillment of those particular prophecies that have already been fulfilled. Obama could be the little horn or he could be the son of perdition, it is too early to tell, but the fact that Obama is not consistent with all the prophecies of the “antichrist” is insignificant since many of the prophecies of the antichrist have already been fulfilled.

faithful forever said...

Greetings Done. Nice to hear from you and I really enjoyed your insights. Two things that I have learned from Bush not being the Son of Perdition is that prophecy is being fulfilled in ways I do not understand, but the agenda of the enemy remains the same which is world domination which mocks Jesus Christ by feebly attempting to replace Him. How deceived they are, lest they turn around and repent and be saved.

The big weekend news seems to be the outrage and protests at Notre Dame where Obama is to give a commencement speech tomorrow. 73% oppose his presence, mostly based on the issues of abortion and homosexuality (the religious right). A statement was made about 'homosexuality being satanic.' There are plenty of people who are plenty upset over Obama being president. Anything can happen and we always out to be prepared for anything which includes the Lord's glorious return on the great and awful day when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess He is God.

The Bildeberger meeting is taking place this weekend with Geithner said to be in attendance. It is hard to believe that it has been a whole year since their last annual gathering and look at all the destruction that has happened since then. Obama and Netanyahu meet in Washington on Monday and we would be foolish not to think that many plans are being made against the whole world.

It must come to pass. It will over when our Lord says it is over. But rejoice! it is a new beginning; a perfect and harmonious beginning for eternity with no strangers. Heaven on earth; come Lord Jesus, come.

Love, blessing and prayers for strength and peace to all.

Anonymous said...

Young Brother
Glad you took Alex Jones off as a link. He is a fear monger:

http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/conspiracism-right-wing-populism-and.html

The fear monger Alex Jones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eA6c2PmpNg&feature=PlayList&p=1E3E2DFB3F3538A4&index=0&playnext=1

Those that want to drink the kool aid of Alex Jones are free to do it but he is not a spirit that I would want to be associated with. To each their own.

faithful forever said...

Kinda interesting:

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=95022&ionid=351020101

Anonymous said...

Can we all get out of our silent closet? So much is happenning.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

Hey Annon, I have been missing everyone as well - including you! It has been pretty quiet in here with not even so much as an occasional echo, but I am still here.

Indeed, so much is happening and I believe we are reaching the boiling point.

Staying blessed and always looking up.

Love ya brother.

faithful forever said...

The airstrikes on Palestine are no surprise, but the timing strikes me as odd - Obama and Netanyahu met just the day before:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090519/wl_nm/us_palestinians_israel

Love and prayers.

Anonymous said...

FF

So much is happening and things are moving at a hectic pace.
...and just days after Natanyahu and Obama discussed Iran, the country test-fired a new missile that could hit Israel and South Eastern Europe. Interesting timing.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_MISSILE_TEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

faithful forever said...

Greetings and holy kisses, Annon. It is a blessing to have you back.

Things are going at a hectic pace, and we must remember that somebody has dubbed this the 'summer of rage' and it is quickly approaching. Many people (myself included) seem to be undergoing many trials and hardships and all I can think is how busy satan is in his search to devour people.

I made a comment yesterday about Jesus coming back, and it could well be tonight for all we know, and her immediate response was, 'I like my life.' She does not cherish the thought of His return evidentally as I do and it is not because I like my life or not. People want to continue on the same as always, uninterrupted and unhassled. I think all that is soon to change.

Great link about the Iran missile test. Their time is short. I know God is the same wherever I am, but the desire to run for the hills is growing stronger.

May God continue to guide us every step of this way.

Love and prayers.

Thanks for helping me stay blessed and keep looking up. Life more abundant and how great is our God. Always and forever.

Balor said...

Both Reagan and Bush were/are antichrists.

Anonymous said...

Who was't/isn't?

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

Anonymous said...

Thats a good question Annon. There are many anticrists even now & have been many in the past, Hitler & Stallin just to name a couple famous ones but many more we never even herd of.

Sorry I have not been posting latley but I am really tired of it all & have not even been following the news.

I will just leave you with this.

Psalm 31
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
1 In You, O LORD, I put my trust;
Let me never be ashamed;
Deliver me in Your righteousness.
2 Bow down Your ear to me,
Deliver me speedily;
Be my rock of refuge,
A fortress of defense to save me.

3 For You are my rock and my fortress;
Therefore, for Your name’s sake,
Lead me and guide me.
4 Pull me out of the net which they have secretly laid for me,
For You are my strength.
5 Into Your hand I commit my spirit;
You have redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

6 I have hated those who regard useless idols;
But I trust in the LORD.
7 I will be glad and rejoice in Your mercy,
For You have considered my trouble;
You have known my soul in adversities,
8 And have not shut me up into the hand of the enemy;
You have set my feet in a wide place.

9 Have mercy on me, O LORD, for I am in trouble;
My eye wastes away with grief,
Yes, my soul and my body!
10 For my life is spent with grief,
And my years with sighing;
My strength fails because of my iniquity,
And my bones waste away.
11 I am a reproach among all my enemies,
But especially among my neighbors,
And am repulsive to my acquaintances;
Those who see me outside flee from me.
12 I am forgotten like a dead man, out of mind;
I am like a broken vessel.
13 For I hear the slander of many;
Fear is on every side;
While they take counsel together against me,
They scheme to take away my life.

14 But as for me, I trust in You, O LORD;
I say, “You are my God.”
15 My times are in Your hand;
Deliver me from the hand of my enemies,
And from those who persecute me.
16 Make Your face shine upon Your servant;
Save me for Your mercies’ sake.
17 Do not let me be ashamed, O LORD, for I have called upon You;
Let the wicked be ashamed;
Let them be silent in the grave.
18 Let the lying lips be put to silence,
Which speak insolent things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.

19 Oh, how great is Your goodness,
Which You have laid up for those who fear You,
Which You have prepared for those who trust in You
In the presence of the sons of men!
20 You shall hide them in the secret place of Your presence
From the plots of man;
You shall keep them secretly in a pavilion
From the strife of tongues.

21 Blessed be the LORD,
For He has shown me His marvelous kindness in a strong city!
22 For I said in my haste,
“I am cut off from before Your eyes”;
Nevertheless You heard the voice of my supplications
When I cried out to You.

23 Oh, love the LORD, all you His saints!
For the LORD preserves the faithful,
And fully repays the proud person.
24 Be of good courage,
And He shall strengthen your heart,
All you who hope in the LORD.

faithful forever said...

A loud resounding AMEN, Anonymous. Beautiful pick of verses. Nice to have you back again as well, even if you don't stay, it is always nice to visit once in a while! A break is well warranted and I think most are weary. But our Lord is our strength, refuge and comfort. Your rest in Him is a joy for me to witness. Thank you and many blessings. He is the reason we are gathered here. He tells us to stay watchful and there is a lot being revealed for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Has anyone else wondered why Obama had said that he was going to release all the pictures of torture (and why are there pictures?) and then changed his mind saying that it would anger other countries too much and put our troops in more danger? Could it really be that it is because there are pictures of women and children being tortured as well:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22663.htm

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and all your mind. I praise His precious holy name and give thanks for all He has done and what is to come.

faithful forever said...

In celebration of Ascension Day:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/832467/is_there_is_a_difference_between_socalled_pg4.html?cat=34

faithful forever said...

All the world is their stage:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090521/pl_politico/22808

faithful forever said...

Anonymous, this is for you:

Ecclesiastes 7:3-4 (King James Version)
3Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
4The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

Amen.

The Lord God knows everything you are going through. It is good to take leave of this world as it is difficult enough being in it while not of it. I take more rest from it as well and spend more time on His word. Always a win-win situation getting to know Him better.

May His peace be with you and with us all.

faithful forever said...

Our world...heavy sigh. We are really still debating waterboarding as torture. So, ManCow, a 'conservative' radio talk show host undergoes the procedure for only 6 seconds. Bush's approval rating (no kidding, 'approval' rating) has gone up 6 points since he left office - currently standing at 41%. Cheney has slithered out to pit the lefties against the righties for those who still want to cling to the false notion that we are a two-party system and defend the indefensible. And Obama is right in line with him. A recent survey shows that 75% believe that we should do whatever is necessary to keep us safe and for information-gathering purposes...even though it is well proven and documented that the information gleaned from such techniques is unproductive. But look, we have not had another 911, so it simply must be working. People still believe the lies because they fear that which they are told to fear.

We are being told that the Taliban are making a surge inside the Pakistan border to take over the Pakastani government. Israel is allegedly scratching its' head in disbelief at Iran's recent missile test claiming it has nothing to use against it in case of an attack while the IDF has been running air drills on multiple attack fronts.

The confusion grows, the lies continue to be spewed, more chaos ensues everyday, lives are lost or maimed and for what. When evil men rule, the people mourn. The whole world is mourning because of evil and still some think it will 'recover' and continue on a better road with no intervention required even though it is written what will happen.

For those who support what our country has been doing to keep us safe ought to think about if they are so willing to have these extreme procedures used on others, how could we not entertain the idea that these same people might be just as willing to do it to us. Blackwater Worldwide's contract has recently been fulfilled and they are returning to the States. You know what they say, timing is everything.

Their plans do not get fulfilled and I give thanks to the One whose plan does get fulfilled and lasts for eternity.

I am so ready for an end to the suffering caused by the evil in the world and for evil to be wiped out.

How can we not be saddened. Funny thing though, I would rather be saddened by the condition of our state than oblivious or indifferent like so many continue to be even after all this time.

People who support Obama believe the war in Afghanistan is justified as that is where Bush went wrong and they do not see the carefully laid out game plan to which they are being led astray by the beast for no war is justifiable now that we are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves. Such a simple message yet continually misconstrued and forsaken.

There is Light at the end of this tunnel and how great is our God to give us the best hope of all in the middle of a totally hopeless situation.

Love and prayers.

faithful forever said...

And we thought Bush was enjoying the liberation of not being president and picking up behind his dog...the things you don't see on MSM:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13671

faithful forever said...

The nation of Israel are the real anti-semites:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090525/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians;_ylt=AqqEhY0TkOFklXPTmaU.OaNvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTJuMGo3azE0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNTI1L21sX2lzcmFlbF9wYWxlc3RpbmlhbnMEY3BvcwMzBHBvcwM4BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2hhcmQtbGluZWlzcg--

North Korea claims it has conducted an underground nuclear test bigger than the one before.

On this Memorial Day, which surely had to be created in defiance of remembering our Lord's Ascension, I think of all those who have been deceived into following and wandering after the beast by the claim of honor and duty to country. The military is meant for killing and while the current world establishment may hail killing, our Lord certainly does not. God first always, otherwise the devil seeks to devour us and he does. Allegiance first only to God and God only.

May His peace be with us all.

faithful forever said...

I am 'out of touch with reality' because I am not afraid; how about you:

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/24/gingrich-be-afraid/

Soon 'they' will find out just how out of touch with reality they are and how deceived they are.

Love to anyone who may be there, and to those who are not.

Be of good courage. The evil ones are already defeated. Praise His holy name and give thanks. Remember ALL He has done for us.

faithful forever said...

Just when you think we can't go any lower, we do:

http://www.librarygrape.com/2009/05/red-state-jesus-would-have-approved.html

Anonymous said...

Hi my sister FF

Thanks for the great link. I really enjoyed it.
It feels this passing pressure is catching up with our little community. It really is unusually quite. To the contrary so much is happenning in every corner of the world and all indicate to the imminent dreadful days ahead.
We are blessed because we trust the Lord. I for one am ready for anything that is about to engulf our world. The Lord is Good and He will be with us through the thick and the thin.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

Greetings to you my brother,

Something sure has taken a toll on our little community and my thoughts and prayers go out to all.

Knowing that time is growing short, every day I thank the Lord for this day that He has made and I will rejoice in it because He has made it and is in control of everything. I feel ready for the shaking that is approaching...I pray to be anyway for with Him I am everything, but without Him I am nothing. The Lord is faithful and we are His people. We may suffer during this battle, but at least we do not have to be dealt His wrath. He suffered for me so I am willing to suffer and I can face that, but I would not like to face His wrath. I pray that He is sealing His people with His protection right now and there is nothing that can pluck us out of His hand. It is empowering knowing that our God has already won this battle...a peaceful strengthening that increases with every passing day.

The blessings from your fellowship keeps increasing as well, Annon, and I am very thankful and honored to be on this journey with you. May we always continue to gather in His name. I will be here as long as He wills. Thank you for helping me stay blessed and keep looking up...our redemption draweth near.

with mutual love and longing for our Savior...peace and many blessings in His name.

Keep shining that light.

Pursuing Truth, if you are there, come out, come out wherever you are...because I wanted to tell you to keep shining your light into the world with the radio program; I enjoyed every minute of listening to you and our young brother speak truth. Just beautiful, and keep on marching.

Anonymous said...

Strange times indeed.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c3_1243398359

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

Interesting link, Annon. As with many things, time will tell. I liked the fact that the child acknowledged God. The Lord tells us that our sons and daughters will begin to prophesize. Anything is possible at this stage and we should be prepared...our lamps full. Nothing in this world matters as much as this.

Time seems to be moving at the speed of light, which I believe is also a sign.

Come Lord Jesus, come quickly.

Holy kisses and peace to you, Annon. I am always blessed by your fellowship. This is a gift from the One we adore. I give thanks.

Love and peace to all in these very trying times.

faithful forever said...

Israel has assassinated a Hamas leader for which retaliation is threatened:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=96302&sectionid=351020202

Iran is blaming the US for a deadly bombing at a mosque, and the Koreas are at a very dangerous point as well.

Bangladesh has suffered a terrible cyclone. Mexico City had another mild earthquake last Friday and Honduras had a major quake yesterday of 7.1 with mild aftershocks.

General Motors will be almost 75% owned by the govt come Monday which some are dubbing 'government motors' and will entail sweeping changes. GM refused a second round of bailout money and was not allowed to file bankruptcy.

Things are getting stranger everywhere, even here in our little community that continues to shrink.

faithful forever said...

I am not sharing this because people should fear, but merely for informational purposes. We now their plan fails and does not come to fruitition as the Lord tells us so, but remaining watchful and informed is never a bad thing. God's perfect love drives out all fear and this is why we can watch without apprehension. We trust in His faithfulness and protection, and the video clip even mentions being under the protection of God's angels. Trusting the Lord completely means never having to fear.

Surely, the great and awful day of our Lord is drawing closer. I rejoice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNPn2JLz7Jc

Anonymous said...

Interesting FF

The whole world is heading towards that destructive road. That dreadful day is fast approaching.
What a blessing to trust in the One Who will be with us amid the raging fire. God is Good as He has always been.

Stay blessed my sister and keep looking up.

Annon.

faithful forever said...

Proverbs 29:25 (King James Version)

25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

Amen.

Nothing like the word of the Lord to comfort and strengthen. Whom shall we fear.

Many strange things are going on in the world, that goes without saying, but this struck me as really odd. First there's this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hDnFaSUatMAQyMUDPlskDQYF_iow

Then there's this:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/05/29/undersea-volcano-discovery-raises-doubts.html

I tend to go with the second article...huge volcanoes don't just magically appear, or do they?

Peace to all.

faithful forever said...

Hi Annon,

I agree, the whole world is heading toward destruction, and it is fast approaching. Their time is getting short. I rejoice not because I hate my life, but because I love my Lord and desire His will to be done to be done on earth as it is in Heaven, and an end to the oppression and suffering, destruction and death, lies and deception.

You help me stay blessed my brother.

So many places are on high alert or red alert, but one that involves Israel can be especially touchy; the masters of turning things 'live':

http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/05/27/Tensions-high-ahead-of-Israeli-drill/UPI-19311243445339/

Anonymous said...

FF
My spirit resonates with you and we seek and search for truth so that we may walk with the Lord and be accounted worthy, not because we want the sky fall down upon us.
We see what is happenning around us and every single issue points not to a peaceful and prosper world but a gloomy future that awaits humanity. We have learnt to live with Him one day at a time leaving the future into His hands . We have no fear because we know we belong to Him. He is in control and He is Good beyond our comprhension.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

Annon

faithful forever said...

Amen, Annon, God is good beyond our comprehension. Our spirits resonating, the one voice harmony, is a blessing beyond measure.

While His enemies plan and perform horrible atrocities on their way to world domination, our Lord who is faithful will be pouring out blessings upon His people. I know many will be saved at the last minute, but right now their numbers seem to far outweigh our numbers. We will be mightier though for the Lord will raise us up as He tells us His endtime church will be more glorified than His beginning church. Imagine this and be excited...very excited. Yes, we have no fear because we know we belong to Him and His perfect love drives out all fear.

Annon, I am so glad you are here for many, many reasons, but mostly because when there are two gathered in His name, He is there.

Love and blessings my brother, and I am thankful to be on this journey with you. We are about to witness some amazing events.

Love and blessings to you with holy kisses, and what a blessing to stay blessed with you and to keep looking up together. This is our God and I give Him thanks and praise for your fellowship and the witness of your testimony. It's a wonderful, amazing thing.

Kep shining.

faithful forever said...

*Keep shining!

I know you knew that...

faithful forever said...

Namoi Wolf, may God be with her:

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22737.htm