Wednesday, April 1, 2009

The Purpose of Christ, and the Gospel he shared.

When preaching the famous beatitudes, Jesus said to those who were following and listening to him:
‘You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything, but is thrown out and trampled under foot.
This was a prophecy to all who would claim to follow him at that time and in the future. Salt is not just a seasoning, it's a great preservative used throughout history (which sometimes meant the difference between life and death if the salt went bad). I believe Christ used the analogy of salt as a warning to preserve the integrity of what we are called to be. Failing to do so doesn't just diminish our worth, it makes us completely worthless. Unfortunately, Jesus gave a lot of warnings and words of caution that seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

However, there is no reason for average church goers to lose hope. It is not too late to reexamine the guidance and caution that Jesus gave to us, for as long as it is called "today", we can shake out of our religious comfort zones, and really apply ourselves to the commands of our faith. I believe the guilt is in the leaders who are charged with preserving the faith, not in those who have been led astray. If someone has been offered light, but has never been led completely from the darkness, it is still possible for them to find the light, and become transformed by it. For God does not desire the destruction of the wicked, but desires that all might come to repentance and do what is good in His sight. Demonstrating our obedience to the commands of Christ can be done at any time, and will always be accepted. God demonstrates his mercy to us by every day that does not end in Judgment. The catch is this: God cannot and will not change the terms of repentance, or the rules of his the same time he will not fail to meet us if we turn ourselves to face Him.

I believe if people (in their flesh) try to redefine the terms of grace, the definition and duration of repentance, and the message we are called to share, they become the salt that loses it's savor. Though they might use the same Christian terms, and act as if they believed, they are worthless to Christ and to those who would feed off their teachings. They will be "trampled underfoot" (or overcome by the "feet" of the body of Christ).

It's really amazing how the Organized Christian system works: how thousands of different people can work together, building religious empires, recruiting millions of followers on behalf of a man whom they themselves know very little about. Traditions and assumptions have replaced the raw, and powerful message that started this faith in the first place. Churches have used the K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid) method to compete for new recruits, and to maintain full pews.

Most modern pastors don't preach messages that will anger their rich members (though there is plenty that Jesus said on that subject). If they encounter scriptures that warn against the sort of war crimes and selfishness that the republican party endorses, they'll probably preach on something else. There are exceptions to this rule, thank God, but many pastors act this way because their incomes depend on an active and happy congregation. They work so hard at maintaining their flocks (and their livelihoods), at not rocking the boat, and preaching things that they think their congregations want to hear, that they have lost track of the very heart and soul of Christianity. To prove my point, I'm going to explore what should be a very basic and obvious question about America's most popular faith.

What was the purpose of Christ on earth?

The most tempting scripture to use in answering that question is John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life". This verse is true, and it's a great promise, but it's not the be-all end-all answer. Many trained evangelicals will say that the purpose of Christ on earth was simply to die on the cross as a price for our sins. While this is common Christian knowledge, it's not a complete answer, or even the correct answer, according to Jesus himself.
Luke 4:42-44
At daybreak he departed (the town of Capernaum) and went into a deserted place. And the crowds were looking for him; and when they reached him, they wanted to prevent him from leaving them. But he said to them, "I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other cities also; for I was sent for this purpose." So he continued proclaiming the message in the synagogues of Judea.
The purpose of Christ while on Earth was to preach the gospel (good news) of the kingdom of God. Jesus went out of his way to include the words "kingdom of God" when speaking of the good news, because there is power in his message, and the enemy of God will do whatever he can to disconnect us from that power. He knew there would be something less-than-complete, calling itself the gospel after he returned to heaven, because the church would be buried in assumptions and traditions for two thousand years before being resurrected. He knew there had to be clues for the last days people to find in the scripture. These people are not a part of the established church, just as new wine is not going to fill an old wine skin. But by the spirit they are being led to see through the facade, and Jesus knew we would need to be able to find out exactly what has gone missing from the gospel. Jesus said nothing carelessly. Every single word that comes from the mouth of the Logos (word) of God is deliberate, so that we might be able to go to the scriptures and validate what he is revealing by the spirit.

Even though millions assume it is their Christian duty to preach the gospel (good news) about Jesus; the truth is that all followers of Christ are called and commanded to imitate Christ, and by doing that, we must preach the same good news that he preached, as well as the good news about him. We cannot exclude either part from what is classically called "the Gospel", they both must be preserved and shared. That is how we obey Christ, that is how we love Christ, and that is how we can receive the promises of Christ. Thankfully, you don't have to take my word for it, when Christ is describing the end of days in Matthew 24:14, he says this:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
The gospel is not just John 3:16, and Romans 5:8, and all of the other verses that talk about how our sins will be covered and we will be saved from the fires of hell. The Gospel is the promise made by God to us all time and time again about his coming Kingdom right here on Earth.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is weaved all throughout the scriptures. It is in the Psalms and in Proverbs, it is foretold by the Prophets, and Moses, and God Himself... In Genesis and Revelation...everywhere. It is precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little. There is no one verse or sentence that can contain the wonder of the mystery of the Kingdom Gospel. To be able to share it, we must faithfully make the ongoing effort to study the scriptures for ourselves; seeking in them clues and explanations of this coming Kingdom. No matter where you turn, you will be close to a message about the kingdom, because that is literally the cornerstone of Judaism, and Christianity (though it has been rejected by the builders). It was a message that Christ himself learned, and then shared for the rest of his life. When he was 12, he was giving full grown priests a run for their money because of his knowledge of the scriptures. To get this knowledge takes study, and dedication. We must all follow Jesus' footsteps in this regard, as in others, if we are to be prepared for what is still to come. By imitating him and by knowing what is promised, we will be able to overcome Babylon.

I originally published this in my other blog, but figured I should practice what I preached a few days ago in the comments section. We should all feel free to post on this blog as often as we like. With 9 official authors we should be a lot more active than we are right now. It is vitally important for us all to share with one another our perspectives of what we are going through, and what the Lord is showing us.


faithful forever said...

This post is exactly why we need not fear and why all our hope is in Jesus and Jesus alone. His Kingdom come, Thy will be done. His will and only His will being done. We cannot begin to imagine what good things He has in store for us, but I relish trying to be able to fathom the unfathomable. For our God is so good for all that He has already done for us (that we can never repay), but also for all that is to come. And of course, our daily bread when He nourishes and nutures His children. He fills me up everyday even while in my sinful nature and overwhelms me with countless blessings such as this inspiring writing.

Man cannot live by bread alone and many have been doing just such for a very long time. It is time to accept His invitation to the Feast and many are invited but few choose to accept.

Wow, my beautiful young brother, shine on. Our Lord is shining His face upon you and the smile may never end. What a joy.

I don't know if it was popular everywhere, but about 10-12 years ago there was a very popular saying of 'What Would Jesus Do' (WWJD) and it was placed on everthing from shirts to bracelets to jewelry, and while it was marketed as some kind of gimmick, it is a question that should always be on our hearts and minds.

The troubles of this world (and there are many, many, many), but are nothing compared to the glory of God's promises. We will not only endure, we will overcome. It is happening now and it is a tremendously exciting time to be alive in Christ. All the glory to God now and forever.

I have heard so many people say that they cannot believe in, or accept living 'forever' and probably not even wanting to, and all I can think of is, 'then you simply cannot know God.' To be in His presence forever...paradise.

Come Lord Jesus, come and Thy will be done. Oh yeah, joyful noises unto the Lord, our rock of all the ages.

I bow my head and give thanks and praise for the good work our Lord has begun in our Young Brother manifested in this beautiful post.

Love and peace to all, and keep shining and looking up for our redemption draweth near.

faithful forever said...

General Betrayus announced that Israel may attack Iran to keep them from getting nuclear capabilities, and this is being called the 'Summer of Rage,' and we should be preparing in our hearts for faith to abound while expecting anything. I found this and thought it was interesting:

young brother said...

Forever Faithful, I am honored that you were inspired by this writing, and am blushing from your comment. Whatever light you see in me is not of me, but is of Christ and is in you just as much. The Lord has blessed me with a hunger for his truth, and a good comprehension of scripture.

The best blessing of this last day movement is that there are so many different blessed, light filled, joy sharing people on this earth who have been touched by the same God, called to the same wedding feast, to take part in manifesting what the whole of creation has been waiting for. What joy we share!

The sabbath day transfiguration of the body of Christ, though relearning and preaching the full gospel is a solid promise. It is woven so tightly in scriptures, that in one of the Gospels accounts of the transfiguration, it is said to happen "after six days".

faithful forever said...

Indeed, young brother, what a joy we share. It uplifts me, strengthens me and makes me want more. Your hunger and your understanding of the scripture is a gift from God because of your heart's desire. I also recognize and relate to your humbleness, my brother.

Surely we get closer to the 7th day of rest with every passing day.

Love and peace to all.

Anonymous said...

The G20 metting is held under uncapped pyramid and the pyramid is very relevant because of the symbolism just like the one on the dollar bill. I read smoewhere an interesting article explaining that when the world leaders arrived they were driven in front of the West Uncapped pyramid and along the side of the south to a makeshift entranced for the photo call with Gordon Brown.
On the way out they will be driven past the East entrance.
This is to symbolise what is written into Templar History with how they were formed in the West and then went onto conquer the East. And no wonder Gordon Brown announced that "A New World Order is being born"

Click the "Atrium at night" pic and see the ExCel London.

And the tone regarding North Korean rocket launch is changing from there will be "no response" to a "firm response".

Interesting time indeed.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.


faithful forever said...

Seems the 'peace' from the Annapolis conference is being broken:

Great links, Annon, and I am ever more thankful for you contributions and watchfulness. "A New World Order" is being born (just not the way ~they~ think) and this is why Obama and Gordon stated that the recession will end this year. Double speak for certain.

Love to all.

Sandra said...

Very inspiring post. Both you and FF just make my heart soar with your kindness and love. It is so beautiful to behold and we have only a taste of the Kingdom with the love expressed here for one another. Thank you for lifting my spirits.

I was very disappointed with Obama over in Germany promoting consumerism. My personal belief is we need to break from a consumer society and build things that last. Landfills are full and we are such a throw away society:

Consumer Society is made to break:

Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

faithful forever said...

Our sweet sister Sandra, you have greatly uplifted my Spirit by having uplifted yours and this is our God. Life more abundant while we are under satan's temporary rule. Love is a weapon of mass destruction for it conquers evil and overcomes anything; a powerful force for God is love.

Nothing Obama does should surprise us for he is nothing more than a tool just as Bush was. The devil is busy deceiving and many will be devoured because they do not know the Savior.

Young Brother, your prompting to search more on the Kingdom of God is a blessing in itself and a true sign of a leader (May He continue to bless you). I wanted to share Matthew 25:1-14 as it also shows those that will be trampled under foot:

1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
14For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.


The AP reports that N. Korea's launch is 'soon' with a projected launch today. Obama said yesterday that it will be met with a 'stern' response. Nowhere is it being reported that Iran is assisting N. Korea, except in the links from our amazing Annon and I believe there is a reason for this, even if I do not know what it is other than our Lord is working in His body and revealing truth to those whose eyes are opened.

...May we never slumber while our Bridegroom tarries.

Love and peace with holy kisses in His precious holy name. Our God reigns. It is my prayer that He continues to deliver His goods unto those that gather here until the day of His glorious return.

faithful forever said...

The launch is imminent:

and N.Korea says it will be an act of war if acted upon.

...with the Holy week starting tomorrow is of no small coincidence.

Love to all and stay watchful in these very interesting times we live.

young brother said...

Sandra, you're welcome. I am very glad it inspired you, Praise God!

Forever Faithful, Thank you for checking up on that 'homework assignment'...I'd love to know what your view is on that passage. What were the "oil-filled lamps" in relation to the end of days?

Balor said...

Here is a thought to ponder.

In a flawed world purity can not endure; therefore the works of the creator in a flawed world must by necessity contain a flaw or else no work could be accomplished.

faithful forever said... relation to the end of days. Hmmm. Interesting question. I believe the oil is symbolic of one's faith and relationship with Jesus Christ. It is such an interesting, deep passage that shows many things. The point that has always interested me is the oil was not shared among the other five who ran out. The fact that they were told to buy it implies an understanding of a false belief that it can be purchased. It can only be given and I believe it is given based on the desire of our hearts.

In relation to the end of times, possibly that the lamps are empty; no oil (faith/relationship) is present except for an outward appearance of being godly. Also interesting is the equation of 50/50, but I have no understanding of that meaning, other than half are saved and the other half unsaved...or maybe that half of all believers fall away from the truth, their love grows cold, waiting on the Lord's return. For I do not believe our Lord is tarrying, but rather a perfect plan with perfect timing. Some believers turn into scoffers.

I would love to hear your thoughts and thank you for the great conversation with the chance to explore our faith and discuss Bible passages...I would stay here all day if it were possible and do nothing else for the joy that is given.

I just had a small revelation while closing my thoughts, and the oil represents wisdom and understanding; being thoroughly vested and empowered by the Lord.

Can't wait to hear your thoughts...

and thank you for the opportunity to discuss and testify of our faith. Another blessing from above and how great always is our God.

Love and holy kisses to all.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

faithful forever said...

Hey Balor. Welcome back. Fancy that...I was just thinking about you the other day that you have been gone too long and it's about time you showed back up and here you are.

Deep thought my friend, and I am living for the world where only purity can dwell. We are in a fallen creation, but God is with those who love and worship Him.

'bout time...stick around this time, would ya?!

Anonymous said...

Very good read.

From the article above:

For we’re now in the final days
Foretold in ancient times
Spoken of by the prophets
In rhythm and in rhyme

Fear not the tumult of the days ahead
Fear not what may transpire
For a new and a better world will come
From the cauldron’s flame and fire

Stay blessed and keep looking up.


faithful forever said...

N.Korea fired one rocket, or satellite or whatever it is:|wbml-aol|dl1|link3|

faithful forever said...

Great site in regards to The Ten Virgins in Matthew:

Love to all.

Anonymous said...

North Korea's rocket "failed" and didn't make it to the orbit. Earlier we read the launch was successful and the satelite is transmitting datas and revolutionary song to the nations leader. What a world!

Stay blessed and keep looking up.


young brother said...

FF, great thoughts. I love the way Christ's parables tell so many different things in one story. I actually started writing a post about that same parable about 9 months ago, and never got around to finishing it. I think that the wise and foolish virgins did not expect the Bridegroom to come after the sun set, but the wise were ready just in case.

They were all instructed to have lamps, but the foolish virgins thought there was just some sort of symbolic meaning to it, and didn't realize the practicality of their lamps (They were going through the motions). Also, by reading the scriptures, and doing what the word commands, we are filling up with oil...there's a lot of different meanings, layers and reflections in the parables, but they are all about the kingdom. I hope to discuss these things more in-depth and more often on my other blog. Stay Blessed, and Happy Palm Sunday everyone!

faithful forever said...

Happy Palm Sunday to you as well Young Brother. I hope you get around to finishing the post on the Matthew parable. I know it will be worth the wait. Your fellowship is such a gift for which I give many thanks. Lots of love to you my brother.

What a world it is. With the shootings in NY and PA, one does not have to look too far to see what is coming. Here are some pictures that substantiate what a world it really is:

Philemon 1:25 (King James Version)

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

Hang in there...better days ahead. Love and prayers always.

Balor said...

young brother,

I've always viewed the "Ye are the salt of the earth" verse in a positive and a negative light.

When the Romans sacked the city of Carthage, they sowed the neighboring fields with salt so that nothing would grow there ever again. Too much salt in the earth produces a sterile environment which destroys life.

So is it a compliment or put down to be called "the salt of the earth?" These days we are told to watch our sodium intake. Maybe the same can be said for being overly religious and rigidly righteous?

faithful forever said...

Hey Balor, if I can butt in, if the Lord looks upon you as the salt of the earth, trust me, this is a very good thing.

...sometimes things have to be taken with a grain of salt.

Another volcano erupts; must be some kind of record:

Avigdor Lieberman is not very well thought of by others either. Interesting article:

faithful forever said...

Got to wonder why this is getting out there now, especially with so many pundits on Fox news supporting and trying to initiate protests:

Italy has had a major earthquake with 70 being reported as dead and at least 1,500 injured.

My area had thunderstorms yesterday morning and three inches of snow last night. Tornadoes are still plaguing the South and my thoughts and prayers are with all who are suffering for all the various trials that are taking place.

Love to all.

Balor said...

Hey ff,

It is one thing if the Lord calls you the salt of the earth, it can mean something else if I do.

Anonymous said...

After Karl Marx, another view of history:

young brother said...

Balor, that's an interesting take on the "Salt of the Earth" phrase. It's probably not a coincidence that surface religion manifests the negative effects of salt, and righteousness manifests the positive effects. I believe that Jesus was not giving a subtle put-down, because he had no problem calling those he thought were vipers or children of the devil what he saw them as.

I believe Jesus was using the encouraging meaning also because he referred to the value of salt as something to be careful to maintain. The "salt trampled underfoot" could be that worthless life-suffocating kind that the Romans used.

It's good to know that you're still around...thanks for making a good point.

Done said...

Matthew 5:11-13 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.


All people are described as salt. The good people are compared to salt which has lost it saltiness. So the good people do not bring death when sown in the land.

young brother said...

I really don't think that "good" people are salt that has lost it's saltiness. (hence the term, "good for nothing").

Also, are all people being called the salt of the earth, or was he speaking to the Hebrews around him, speaking of Israel as a preservative of God's law, which has deviated from it's original course and therefore become good for nothing?

Done, be careful not to mix up parables. Seed is sown in the ground, salt is thrown on the ground. Different analogies have different definitions.

faithful forever said...

Greetings to all and welcome back, Done. Nice to see you back among us...very nice.

The 'salt of the earth' is what Jesus called His disciples because they perserved His word and kept it from corruption. The practice of salting the earth is not the same thing although now I understand Balor's comment a little better which is always a good thing. With love to you Balor and glad to have you back again - as always.

If God's word is spoiled, it cannot serve its' purpose, which is where we have been for so long, but all that is changing now.

What an exciting time to witness with prophecy being fulfilled and the Lord's reckoning drawing closer...and His people who gather here to share this amazing journey.

Again, welcome back Done and I hope you stick around. There is a reason why you have come back and I would love to know if you have been gone or have continued reading. Just curious, and so happy to have you back.

Love and peace in His name.

faithful forever said...

Maybe this will be the next false flag:

Stay blessed and keep looking up! (love ya Annon)

And love to all.

Done said...

Young Brother,

Jonah was not swallowed by a whale; he was swallowed by a fish. Money is not the root of all evil, the love of money is the root of all evil. It is important to overcome common misconception about what the Bible says and look at what the Bible actually says.

Jesus was talking about people being persecuted for righteousness, and in that context He talked about salt that had lost its saltiness being considered worthless (by society not by God) and trodden under foot of men. The righteous are those who lose their saltiness whatever their nationality.

Salt is used as a preservative for meat, which is to say dead flesh, but salt also kills when sown in the ground. If you pour salt on the surface of the ground, the rain will wash it into the soil and it will still kill everything in the area.

I’m not saying that salty not so righteous people are going to burn in hell or that they are even going to face eternal death. None of us ever completely lose our saltiness, but the wages of sin is death and salt is associated with death even when used as a preservative. Remember what happened to Lot’s wife? Fortunately, we are redeemed by Christ even though we are less than perfect which is to say we are still a bit salty.

Done said...


I read from time to time, but have had no interest in posting and will not likely post anything further (or at least very often). I find myself in disagreement over the very fundamental nature of Armageddon, and the struggle between good and evil.

In every war that has ever been fought the soldiers for both sides saw themselves as the forces of good and they saw the other side as the forces of evil. Armageddon has been billed as the great showdown between good and evil and no doubt the soldiers on both sides will believe this to be the case, and they will see themselves as the forces of good. In reality Armageddon will be just another war, only bigger.

Why would the great battle between God and Satan take place on the Earth? The Earth is a rock floating around a ball of fire, it has no strategic value. Every angel of God transcends our universe. What difference does it make who wins this battle for the earth? If Satan wins does he somehow pose a threat to God? At best, Armageddon symbolizes the real battle of good and evil that takes place at a higher level of reality.

But there isn’t a battle between God and Satan since Satan has no power next to God. God has always been in control. God allows evil to exist for His own good purpose but in the end God will destroy evil. Armageddon is part of that process. God gives Satan enough rope to hang himself.

When Jesus came the first time, there was talk of Him being the Messiah. But He was expected to establish the kingdom of God in the world, and defeat the enemies of God (destroy evil). They believed that Jesus would destroy the Romans, and you can be sure that a lot of Jews wanted the Romans destroyed.

Jesus did in fact defeat the enemies of God. One way He did this was by overcoming the world. Jesus was perfect and without any hatred, hostility or greed. It is that struggle within us, that is the real battle of good verse evil, and Jesus won that battle.

It is important to note that Jesus did not destroy the Romans. The Romans were not the enemies of God. The Romans had a struggle within themselves between good and evil just like the Jews. Whether Roman or Jew, all children of God struggle within themselves and some will win that battle more than others.

Just as the Romans were not the enemies of God, The Americans are not the enemies of God, nor are the Russians, the Chinese, the Palestinians, nor the Israelis. The enemy of God is war itself. We should not get caught up in the emotion of war. Even when an atrocity is committed, we should not allow it to cause us to hate others which makes us like those who committed the atrocity.

When Jesus returns He will not come like Rambo destroying all those evil people that we hate. Jesus will bring peace. Jesus will stop the violence, and by doing so He will win the battle. He will vanquish the real enemy which is hatred and war and He will do this by bring peace. Jesus will remove the prince of this world, remove the influence of the prince of this world and we will be able to win the battle within ourselves. In fact, it won’t even be a battle anymore. We will have no difficulty forgiving and loving each other. That is one of the victories that Jesus gives us because that is the real battle.

young brother said...


You may be exactly right in your interpretation of that scripture, but I am wary. I'm still pretty sure that he was warning people to preserve their spiritual calling, and not to look forward to becoming worthless and stomped on.

Matthew 5:11-12 concludes one train of thought, the "salt of the earth" language in verse 13 is immediately followed by this: (Matt 5:14-16)
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Good salt, strong salt is useful; so is prominently displayed light. Both bad salt and hidden lights are completely useless. The usefulness that Jesus meant in these parables was in God's eyes, not in the eyes of men.

Done said...

Young Brother,

It’s certainly true that one parable of Christ can contain numerous messages. But I do look at this passage differently, but that’s because I look at much of the Bible differently.

Jesus said, “Ye are the salt of the Earth”, and He followed this by saying, “Ye are the light of the world”. This seems to be a conflict, especially when you consider that the salt comment talks of the persecution of those who’ve lost their saltiness and was preceded by talk of the persecution of the righteousness. Christ seems to be saying that we are salt and that is a bad thing, and then He says that we are light and that is a good thing.

Which is it? Is Christ contradicting Himself? People who read this passage will usually reconcile this conflict by saying that salt is actually a good thing.

But When I look at the contrast of these two statements I see the dual nature of humanity. I believe this is part of the message of this passage. Christ is talking about our ability to be kind one minute and then selfish or angry the next.

To me these may be conflicting statements, but they are both true, and they both describe all the children of God. Paul often talked about flesh verses spirit, natural verses spiritual, carnally minded verses spiritually minded. Most Christians see these words of Paul as describing two different groups of people, but it seems clear to me from any honest evaluation of humanity that good verses evil is not one group of people verses another, but that we all have the capacity for both good and evil.

There may be some narcissists out there who are incapable of good, and there is God and His angels who are incapable of evil, but most of us humans struggle within ourselves between good and evil. So I believe that Paul was not talking about two different groups of people when he spoke of carnally minded verses spiritually minded; I believe Paul was talking about the struggle between good and evil that we all deal with within ourselves.

And I believe this was part of the message of Christ in this passage.

faithful forever said...

There are always many layers to the Lord's word and it is always good to share insights, always. The discussion on salt is very interesting and compelling, and I love, absolutely love, searching and learning about every single layer.

I came across this site and agreed with the content, and there is a really good comment also; hope someone enjoys it as well:

Great discussion, wonderful fellowship and I give thanks to God for all His ways.

Love and peace to all.

Sandra said...

I am loving the harmony in the comments as you discuss different interruptions of "salt" as spoken by Jesus. It is a great way to understand where others are coming from and give them respect to express it here. We are all on the journey to the Father and to be able to express our beliefs and interruptions in our understanding of Jesus teachings helps in our walk.

Quote from a website:

"Throughout history, people are forever looking for the enemy—and finding the enemy—"out there." Someone else or some other group is almost always the problem, so we feel justified in blaming and accusing others.

Jesus shows us another way. Many of his healings are really an effort to reintegrate persons into the community. There is no room for scapegoating in his teaching. He does not expel sinners but forgives them. He even commands that we love our enemies. There is no "contaminating element" to get rid of in Jesus' teaching. Forgiveness and reconciliation are the opposite of scapegoating, punishing and excluding the supposed enemy. The great conversion occurs when we see that we are our own worst enemies.

The gospel is destabilizing. It calls us to nonviolence. It calls us to the way of wisdom. It calls us to see God in every moment and circumstance. It calls us to see God in all people—perhaps most of all in those we are tempted to reject, fear or attack." (end of quote)

Love is the answer. We need to turn away from those who want to stir the pot to get us to fear and hate. We can still show them love but we will not be dragged down to their negative view. We are a different people and our light should shine for all to see. Not by being dogmatic in our approach to others but with love and kindness.

Thy Kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. :)

Peace to all on this journey.

NathanDave said...

Great videos on how the financial crisis is leading to world government

The above is part one. I believe there are two parts.

I agree with Sandra, it is nice to see us discussing things in a spirit of respect. We are all growing in the Lord.

faithful forever said...

Greetings brothers and sister! with love and holy kisses to all on this day when our eternal King died so we might live. How much He loves us even while we are sinners.

1 Timothy 1:14-17 (King James Version):

14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
17Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I praise His holy name and give thanks for what He has done and for all that is to come. Love to all in His name.

faithful forever said...

Faux News keeps reporting on "Tea Parties" all over the US on April 15th to protest tax hikes; they seem to be actively encouraging it rather than merely reporting on it. Obama is seeking 84 billion for continued war while Iran allegedly claims nuclear capabilities. The 'pirates' are demonized for wanted their share of what is being extracting from their land and a French carrier is reportedly attacking them now, even while the American captain and mates are held hostage. There is more to this story than meets the eye.

More destruction and more prayers are needed:

faithful forever said...

The love of money is the root of all evil, and this video which reveals the level of corruption is astounding. It is about an hour long, but very interesting:

Indeed, Sandra, to love all people is what His people are called to do because the Lord wants none to parish.

Great to hear from you NathanDave; been missing you. I couldn't find the video you spoke of in your last comment and it looks like they come and go, but wanted to let you know. Missing Annon as well.

The love of money is the root of all evil and that is being manifested to us now in the current economic climate. The country to watch is now Switzerland that is ready to declare bankruptcy and that might very well be the tipping point to their NWO. Many are predicting an August/September crash and how transparent would it be that it is another September 11th. It is important to remember that this financial meltdown starting on September 11, 2008 with an electronic run on the banks:

faithful forever said...

A link for the 9/11/08 run on banks, and of course, you can always do your own search:

Kanjorski mentions the 15th, but that is only when it was reported on, but the actual event took place on 9/11/08 in the matter of an hour or two, and it happened between the hours of 9 and 11 in the morning.

Love and peace to all.

Sandra said...

The love of money is what runs the financial institutions . Profit and enslavement of getting people to go into debt. I am beginning to believe more each day that it is debt to Babylon that is the biggest problem in this country. You can not be free as long as you are a slave to the Babylon system. Coming out of her has freed me and hopefully more are beginning to understand.

To my friends. May your foundation be Jesus and that you always be willing to learn new truths.

The killer whale is the tribal logo here.

Forever Young:

Pay It Forward:

Wanted to give a positive message in a world so hurting for Love. I am feeling very sentimental today and full of love for all that God has revealed to us through Jesus.

NathanDave said...

Heres where I got the orignial links, sorry they did not come out:

faithful forever said...

...'full of love for all that God has revealed to us through Jesus.' Amen, and it is this love that will sustain us; our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ because Jesus is love.

Babylon is the false religion of the world, the one that suppresses the truth of Jesus' message because it is what they fear most - God's true Israel because this is what defeats them for the 1000 year reign on Earth that they will not be taking part in. Coming out of Babylon means seeing through the deception and not partaking or condoning her sins of gluttony, abuse, oppression and killing of our fellow mankind. Because I have a mortgage does not make me a part of Babylon. I am still free in the Lord. I know what you are saying with debt though, and it is a part of it because anything that takes away from your attention and focus on the Lord is not a good thing, and debt keeps most people up at night fretting about bills they cannot meet, and people are now killing loved ones and strangers over it, but it is because they have put their trust and faith in the Babylonian system rather than the Lord. Everything that is provided to us is from Him and people take this burden upon themselves and take the credit for providing it, when it was never from them in the first place. Having trust and faith in the Lord is coming out of Babylon; in essence not selling your soul for the temporary riches of this world, but rather desiring His Kingdom and furthering it in spite of the trappings of this world.

Love and peace in His name. Keep shining and spreading those positive messages.

p.s. Thanks NathanDave, with love.

Sandra said...

Oh, please know I was not talking about your mortgage. Don't disagree with you on the mortgage debt. Don't know how you can get a house without a mortgage unless you win the lottery or saved for many years. The problem with so many in the housing meltdown is they got houses they could not afford and now they are paying the price. I had a mortgage too but for some reason after 9/11 all I wanted to do was get it paid off. It is paid off now and I will not refinance it. It is just a simple home but it is just fine for me. Just had a new roof put on it this past week. Paid for it up front so no debt on that. The financial institutions want you to go into debt but we have to resist that temptation. Also agree with your views on the whole Babylon system. No argument here on that issue. I am learning from all of you here and appreciate your input on this issue. It helps us all when we are free to open up and express our views. Sometimes in the course of the discussion we find our world views change when God's people add to the discussion.

I hope others don't mind me continuing to give links on freeing yourself from the debt of Babylon. My own personal belief is God does not want me to go into debt in this system so I heed that warning. Living a simple life and enjoying that life in my small community works for me:

Anonymous said...

Hi all

This is the most disturbing thing I ever heard. But God shields His own and we don't need to fear.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.


Anonymous said...

This is really creepy.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.


Sandra said...

This is a comedy skit on your second link Annon:

Your mind wants you to see "C-Span" in the bottom corner, but it says "O-Span", and there is not a "John Haller" Representative from Penn State.

It is a hoax.

Anonymous said...

Thanks my sister Sandra

I am not familiar with the this representative, Senator or governer thing. Hence, I took the comedy as something happened in the real world.

stay blessed and keep looking up.


faithful forever said...

The world is a confusing place, to say the least.

And I couldn't agree more Sandra, that it helps us all when we can open up and feel free to discuss - that is democracy. Beautifully said, as always.

An interview with one of the Danish scientists who reported on the thermite found in the WTC dust:

I spoke with two people just today who could never begin to believe or accept that 911 was an inside job and it just boggles my mind even after all this time. It is still a critical, if not pivotal point to understanding the whole picture that is being painted before us.

Indeed, Annon, we can watch (rather with great anticipation, actually) everything that is unfolding because we need not fear. I realized the other day that it actually comforts me even though that makes me sound crazy, but that is just how not afraid I am.

Great link on the unusual transportation going on in NY. We know that they have very bad things planned for us, but they do not come to fruition (rejoice) and what our Lord has planned is far greater.

Stay blessed and keep looking up.

faithful forever said...

Go Madrid:

...while Bush is planning a reunion soon with former officials, minus Cheney because he and Bush are still 'infighting.'

NathanDave said...

Hi all,

I have a friend whose wife is going in to get a brain tumor removed today. I would like to request prayers for her today, her name is Pat. Thank you brothers and sisters.

Sandra said...

My prayers go out to your friend and his wife Pat. I know what they are going through since my husband went through brain surgery for a benign brainstem tumor. The surgeon could not get it all so he had to go through radiation treatment and eventually gamma knife surgery. Seven years we fought it and in the end it took his life but not his soul. I quit my job to be his caregiver and never regret my decision. We put our faith in God and he got us through it. I just dreamt about my husband last night and we were renewing our wedding vows. I woke up at peace and wondered what it meant.

People in this country have been spoon fed that this country is the light of the world and they will not believe the atrocities it has committed in the past or now. So of course they can not believe 9/11 was an inside job even though more evidence is being uncovered that suggest explosives were involved. The Navy Seals who killed those pirates have now opened it up to more violence and killings. From what I understand there has been no killing on the hijacks in the past but now the pirates are saying they will kill.

At first I was like you thinking that link was creepy and true but some comments suggested it was a hoax so did a goggle search and found out it was not true. We all can be fooled from time to time. Because we speak the truth we expect others to do the same but so often lying to get people stirred up is the norm in this world. That is what happened on 9/11 and so many are still in the matrix and do not want to wake up to the possibility that we were lied to for their own sick agenda. Keep those links coming.

Let His Kingdom Come

NathanDave said...

Thank you Sandra, I appreciate your concern and response.

faithful forever said...

Well, seems as though brain tumors are the cancer of the day. I am sorry to hear about your wife's friend, nathandave, but may it comfort you that I have a relative who is undergoing treatment for a brain tumor (thus my sporadic postings of late) and she is doing quite well. We are her healthcare POA and are trying to make an informed decision about the gamma knife which has to be made today. My prayers for all who are suffering from the illnesses of this polluted environment and those who love them. May God comfort and strengthen all of us.

The two people that I spoke with yesterday regarding 911 and their denial, were also very happy that the captain was released and bragged about our military being so well trained. I know they take what the government tells them as truth and do not even question what is really going on. We are dumping nuclear waste in their waters and on their shores and over fishing their boundary waters with no compensation and leaving many sick and hungry. The pirates have now hijacked at least four more ships and taken as many as 60 hostages.

I love our little community and all who dwell here in His precious holy name. God is so good.

Always keep looking up.

Sandra said...

When my husband was going through his treatment plan the only option we were given was surgery. At the time we did not know how dangerous it was because of where it was located. It was so close to the brain stem and the surgery caused his disability. Had we known the risk and that there was the option of gamma knife surgery we would have gone that route. My prayers are with you too as you make the decision for your loved one. God will guide you in making the best decision for your relative.

Quote from a letter to the editor in the Seattle times:
"Decades of toxic waste dumping by giant mega-corporations off the Somali coast have sickened and killed thousands of Somalis. They see European ships come and dump toxic garbage off their beach and all they think is to "get" the ships. Sure, some are economic opportunists, but the ships come and kill them and no one says boo. Do some actual reporting. Radioactive waste. Medical waste. Chemical waste. All dumped by Western corporations in their water. No investigation, no military response." (end quote)

The news media does not report the whole story:

Please keep us informed on your friend and his wife Pat. Praying for all to go well and that God will guide the surgeon in the surgery. Also FF keep us informed on your relative.

faithful forever said...

Thank you Sandra for the blessing.

Update on Somalia:

Love to all.

Sandra said...

Having peace during the storms of life: Parable for today.

faithful forever said...

A friend in Savannah told me that Southern GA had 48 tornadoes a couple of days ago. Now it's Florida:

Sandra, my heart goes out to you for the pain of losing your husband and the surgeon's not informing you of all the risks. I believe you were at peace in dreaming of him last night because you will see him again and your heart knows it.

Prayers and peace for all by the never-ending grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

faithful forever said...

Thank you my sister; I needed that.

with love always, Sue

NathanDave said...

Thanks for your prayers. Pat came through the surgery well enough, they removed most of the mass, and left a small part in because it was too close to a nerve ending. FF, its scary and a tragedy of our time the amount of people who have contracted cancers because of the sins of Babylon.

faithful forever said...

It is a tragedy, nathandave, and I so look forward to no more death and sickness, no more pain and tears, no more war and suffering, no more oppression and injustice; only love and worship of the Lamb.

It is only fitting that the Garden of Eden is desolate:

Sandra said...

My prayers continue to go out to your friend and his wife Pat. It sounds like she will have to have further treatment because they could not get it all. I am sure you will be a good friend and help them get through this. Although my husband's illness was hard on us it brought us closer to the Lord and it changed my career. From working with 20 tribes in their fishing treaty rights I now have a new career as a caregiver. Less monetary gain but more rewarding. When God closes one door he opens up another.

Thank you for your kind words. It was in the valley of my husbands illness that both of us grew. We both grew and learned what was really important. It is people not gaining worldly possessions and worry about retirement as the news wants you to do. We don't know when the Lord will call us or come back so living each day being a servant to the Lord is the best retirement plan.

Sometimes life seems hard to bear,
Full of sorrow, trouble and woe,
It's then I have to remember
That it's in the valleys I grow.
If I always stayed on the mountain top
And never experienced pain,
I would never appreciate God's love,
And would be living in vain.
I have so much to learn,
And my growth is very slow,
Sometimes I need the mountain tops,
But it's in the valleys I grow.
I do not always understand
Why things happen as they do,
But I am very sure of one thing ...
My Lord will see me through.
My little valleys are nothing
When I picture Christ on the cross
He went through the valley of death;
His victory was Satan's loss.
Forgive me Lord, for complaining
When I'm feeling so very low,
Just give me a gentle reminder
That it's in the valleys I grow.
Continue to strengthen me Lord,
And use my life each day,
To share your love with others
And help them find their way.
Thank you for valleys Lord,
For this one thing I know ...
The mountain tops are glorious,
But it's in the valleys I grow!

~ Jane Eggleston ~

Let his Kingdom come within our heart and out to the world.

NathanDave said...

Great post Sandra, Loved the piece from Eggleston.

Here is an interesting article from a former Jew who converted to Xtianity and became a Pentecostal Preacher.

His views on Israel are quite ineresting. I recommend reading with an open mind, if you choose to read it.

faithful forever said...

That was beautiful from Eggelston and thanks for posting it Sandra, for when we are weak, He is strong.

I enjoyed that article as well, nathandave and believe it to be truth. Many of us will be martyred for our beliefs.

Keep shining.

and always looking up.

Love to all.

Sandra said...

Thanks for the link NathanDave. I read more than the topic you sent on your link and found the site very interesting.

Here is another view on the tea protest today. Happy tax day everyone!! :(

faithful forever said...

Greetings with holy kisses,

While our world continues to crumble, I give thanks for the joy that makes my cup runneth over in spite of it all. How amazing is our Lord and Savior.

Afghanistan has had an earthquake on the Pakistan border and Italy is trying to recover from theirs.

With no surprise, Spain as declared no inquiry into the'Bush 6' for ordering and condoning torture and while I am disappointed, of course I am not surprised at all, and I know Jesus will be the one to bring righteous and everlasting justice.

Our God reigns.

Love to all, and peace in His name.

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