Sunday, August 3, 2008

Paul and the Scripture

Concerning Paul, it had been said that he was not a man of God; he has even been accused of being the enemy that sowed the bad seed.
I would like to briefly examine these concerns. First we must ask ourselves how are we to determine this answer? As a Christian we must have a basis for our faith apart from our self and our opinion. That would have to be the "Word of God", "The Scripture" or "The Bible" . We as Christians believe that Scripture is perfect and without error in its original form.
We could spend a whole teaching on how we came to have the book we call the Bible, but I will give just a few points as to why we claim the books we now call the Bible. The Old Testament is easy. It had already been set and considered Scripture at the time that Jesus was here in the flesh. So we have Jesus to give us His seal. The New Testament wasn't not sealed till the Nicene Council in 325AD that was called by Constantine. Much could be said about that subject as well but let us just say that the only argument would be if some things may have been left out, not with what was included. Some thought other books should have been included but only one that was included was questioned and that was Revelation. Those that made these decisions were the leaders of the church over various parts of the Empire. They had been set in authority by Elders before them in a chain of Apostolic succession. I personally believe that the council was a grave stone to the Church because it went from being an organism to an organization. It set the cannon but it also made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and now had the authority of the State rather than the anointing of God.
Christendom now had a set of books that all agreed upon as authoritative; but the only problem that now occurred was the interpreting of the Word. This then became a source of oppression as the "Church Clergy" were the only ones considered qualified to interpret it. This is still our problem "how we interpret". Jesus taught us that we were to rely not only on leaders but upon the Holy Spirit.
Jn:16:13: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
As one reads the writings of Paul you may on the surface have a problem with what he says; but I would suggest that the problem either lies in your heart or your understanding.
Paul was recognized as an Apostle by his brethren and other Apostles and Prophets through out the "Book of Acts", and Peter put his seal on Paul's writings 2Pt:3:15: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
Is this what is happening today? Peter flat out tells us that some of what Paul teaches is hard to understand, but let us not twist them to our own destruction.
2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Peter Zarcone

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81 comments:

Ali said...

In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

" Behold! how *they* invent a lie against God! but that by itself is a manifest sin! "

-Holy Quran 4:51


*They* indeed is the reflection of those who became the source of oppression like the "Church Clergy" as well as "Islamic Faghih & Ejtihad" that claim they are the only ones considered qualified to interpret the book. For me, this resolves the issue :


In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds, trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way. Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

-Holy Quran 5:77-78

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ali said...

Pursuingtruth,

I really appreciate for bringing this topic to the forground .

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ben There said...

You're absolutely right about GWB but as for "end time prophecies"? People have been thinking that since the time the scriptures were written and they'll be thinking that five hundred years from now.

Be careful, scripture can be more dangerous than nuclear proliferation.

faithful forever said...

Hi ben there,

Welcome. Did you find us because I posted at Les' site, or did you just 'happen' to find us? Just curious' doesn't really matter, and glad you are here.

My name is Sue and I go by faithful forever. I mean this with all due respect as I see your posts at Les' and know that you are seeking truth with an open heart and mind, so with that said, what you said about people having been talking about the end of times since the beginning of time, is like saying I drive a car and because I have never been in an accident, I never will.

If, and I have such very little doubt about W. being the Son of Perdition the Lord has warned us of (is this what you agreed with?), then we have to be in end times according to the Bible, and indeed we are very near the end of these days. People say the end of the world, but I like to say the beginning of the new one.

Scripture is only dangerous when it is misused or abused. That will never happen here, but I know what you mean, it is one of the three things you are never to discuss. But that's what we do here, watch prophesy unfold according to the Holy Bible.

So, again, welcome and hope you can stick around. There is a lot of truth that might sound different from what you have been taught or heard, but maybe something will resonate within you and we can all grow together spiritually.

I know Les has a lot of Buddhist beliefs and I don't knock him for that because the man sure has deep insight from somewhere, but only Jesus' teachings are followed here; just thought you might need to know that. Nobody here is ashamed of the gospel and we hope you are not either.

These are interesting times we are living in, aren't they?

Balor said...

Haigh Ben There,

You're right about the end times.

Faithful Forever, it isn't so much like "I drive a car and because I have never had an accident I never will," but "I drive a car, I've had accidents before, and I'm like to have them again."

In case you're confused, Ben, the end times for me never mean the end of the world, but the end of the present order of things. As such, my view is that anti-Christs have come and gone through out history, and Bush is only our generation's anti-Christ.

Our generation in America will be judged on how we dealt with our anti-Christ, and I fear it will be found wanting.

Nevertheless, the hour of the anti-Christ does pass away and I feel that it is near.

faithful forever said...

This is the site that I was talking about with Ben. I believe this writer is very gifted:

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/

I asked this person for more of his thoughts after I read his comment:

Duane said...
I was witness to the big lie in 1963, [Oswald did it] I witnessed the same lie again on 911 [ Osama bin ladin did it]. And yes they are planning another terrorist attack, to go along with the collaspe of the economy, to go along with the invasion of Iran, to go along with suspending the elections so George can finally have the Congress declare him "King George" and his military tribunal. I would say Emporer but that is reserved for the Pope.

These are not just some evil men who can't get a hold of enough money, these evil men are world wide and they are on the same agenda and they work in perfect unison in order to deceive the world of who they are. Including those in Iran. And they don't mind leaving evidence all over the place of their corruption and crimes because, they police themselves.

NO ONE IN WASHINGTON lifted a finger when Earl Warren told his lie in sept of 64. NO ONE. This is a historical fact. NO ONE. Even with the stone cold evidence of this phenomenol truth, very, very few will accept this fact that they ARE ALL TIED TO EACH OTHER, ALL OF THEM TODAY JUST LIKE THEY WERE IN 1964.

ALL of them, do you hear me? every single one of them and that INCLUDES your Ron Paul, who has been around for over twenty years spitting the truth of their corruption and crimes right back in their faces.

NO ONE and I mean NO ONE, [not even Presidents] are allowed to do that and live to tell about it. They're putting Mr Paul on hold in case they need him to calm the people down after King George gets done what needs to be done for the NEW WORLD and its order of things because it has become apparant the people have to be removed from their government in order to get this done.

They are so close to their 2500 year old dream they can taste it and they don't mind telling you about it. The closer they get, the more reckless they become.

It's not about you and I and THEM anymore, it never has been. It's about JESUS CHRIST and the Devil.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood".

They ...and who THEY are...I also have historical fact, called the WORD of GOD as it is given to me and "THEY SAY THEY ARE JEWS, THEY ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN" or in more plain english THE ZIONISTS OF THE WORLD and THEY left Babylon some 2500 years ago to do exactly what they are doing today.

I have a dump truck full of incriminating, circumstantial,coincidental evidence and all of it leads to a World Government and He who will take the seat of Solomon, and the Vatican, and who Christianity will accept as JESUS CHRIST.

They [synagogue of satan] are convinced there is no Jesus Christ, they met him in Babylon 2500 years ago.

regards Duane
***

Specifically, I wanted to hear his thoughts on who he thought Christianity would accept as Jesus.

The truth is growing in leaps and bounds and it is incredibly amazing watching it.

Blessed by y'all to share it with.

Love in His name.

faithful forever said...

Interesting article:

http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/August01/0123.html

faithful forever said...

I have to admit I had this thought about the USS Liberty when I read that the ship was sailing to the Persian Gulf, and my second thought was that this would just be way too transparent - even for !them~ but then I see it in print; just when you think things can't get any stranger than they already are:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20427.htm

faithful forever said...

Since nobody else is talking, I might as well!

I couldn't agree with pursuing truth's latest post more; believe and accept the truth of the Bible as a whole and as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth - from beginning to end. If something has been left out because of man's stupid ways, Jesus will show us the rest.

Love and His peace to all my brothers and sisters.

Sandra said...

Pursuing Truth,

I never knew that there were some that actual thought Paul was the enemy of Jesus until it was posted on the comment section. I knew that some questioned Paul's teaching on women and for some in the gay lifestyle they did not like quotes from Paul on homosexual behavior being a sin but never as somehow being an enemy of Jesus and that it was Paul who distorted the teaching. That was new to me and I had to go to prayer on it. I did go to the book of Acts (most believe Luke wrote it) and there was the account of Paul's conversion written by Luke. Even after his conversion some did not trust Paul and it is right there in the Bible so if Paul was somehow an enemy of Christ, I think questioning of Paul would not be in there. I think we do have an accurate account of the beginning of followers of Christ bringing the message of hope to a world that desperately needed to hear his teaching. Sometimes we don't like the truth but that does not change the truth. Truth is timeless and is for all eternity. Paul was an apostle and brought the message of truth to the Gentiles.

We still have the distortion of the Bible by the fundamentalist. The whole prosperity movement is a distortion of the true message of Jesus. To gather riches here is not the teaching of Jesus. Then we have the catholic church with the pope in his mansion and gathering riches while the world is hurting. That is so against the teaching of our savior. All their pomp and ceremony with vestments and bowing down to the pope is against the teaching. The catholic church is so antichrist. I hope I don't offend anyone with that statement but I just can't see Jesus approving of the way the church has used his name in vain and distorted his message. They have a lot of blood on their hands.

FF,
Hope everything is OK in your area. Heard there are storms in that region. Blessings from your sister in Christ.

Love in Jesus Holy Name

faithful forever said...

Hey Sandra, Thanks for your concern. The storms were bad, but hopefully the worst is over. We lost power for about 12 hours. I went into town for some sandwiches and ice and it was crazy. People were lined around the fast food joints that had power and people were upset because their ATM's weren't working. Just a little glimpse of what is to come possibly and it won't be pretty. One lady at the gas station was telling me how people are afraid to leave their homes for fear of being robbed. What that had to do with no electricity, I am not really sure, other than it doesn't take much to tip the scales when people are so on edge to begin with and everybody knows it. Somewhere up around Chicago I guess there had been quite a few reports of looting. The storm was massive on the radar doppler when I last seen it. We have 100 year old trees in our yard that are huge and very large branches came down but didn't cause any damage to the roof or the house and I was very thankful for that. It seemed like a tornado but there were no reports of one in my area anyway and I haven't yet turned the tv back on to hear the reports.

Why is it so quiet here? I expected to see a least a few posts, but at least you were there Sandra and that made it all good. Thanks again my wonderful sister.

I missed the radio broadcast. Anything I should know about?

Love to all.

Ali said...

I tried a lot to open that radio broadcast but both of my browsers gave errors.

FF, I agree, its so quiet here. I am also happy that the storm didn't make that much damage to your location. As I have heard in US, stuff like this happen a lot.

I recently have been around this issue of "evolution" and the way particularly they want to connect this to the idea of "There is no intelligent design". I read an article on Scientific American and recently on another magazine. Its a shame! we know why they are putting such an enormous attempt as well as the budget on these issues. They want us to believe that there is no God.

Keep the faith,
Ali

faithful forever said...

Greetings Ali,

I had about ten minutes where I could have heard the radio show and I couldn't access either; I just figured it might have had something to do with the storms. You finally get the chance to listen and you couldn't access it...isn't that just like life.

Thanks Ali for your kind words. I turned on the news just in time to hear the weather report and the newscaster said that he had 'never seen anything like it' in regards to the storm last night. While storms have always been common here and around the US, they are increasing in severity and frequecy. The Midwest has been hit unusually hard this year.

I checked out another of my favorite spots tonight, "Raw Story" and the headlines are mostly about Obama and racism. Unfortunately, I believe this is the real reason behind the man of change. Not by just his doing, but by the temporary powers that be to incite hate and unrest.

Major protests in South Korea where Bush is visiting and he is attending the opening Olympic ceremony. It may be a very opportune time for 'something' to happen. Total sun eclipse before Bush arrives...isn't there a joke in there somewhere?!

I was wondering if Bush is making his appearance on 8/8/08; that might make things even a little more interesting. I think I heard this trip called his 3-day Asian tour. He sure is all over the place like he said he was going to be 'restoring relations' and I don't think that is going very well given this trip so far:

http://chinadaily.cn/world/2008-08/04/content_6902361.htm

Keeping the faith, Ali, with the help of the Lord above and His people who come here. Blessings to all.

faithful forever said...

Some possibly big plans for the Olympics right here in the good ol' US of A, and the August 8th date again. This looks like a good site to navigate around.

Does this seem somewhat reminiscent of the anthrax attacks to anyone else (manufacture and distribute it here and blame it on someone else):

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=84800

Anonymous said...

FF

True, August 8 is again the date. Musharaf, China's closest ally in the region has cancelled his trip to attend the opening cermony and no explanation for the last minute decision. I expect more world leaders to follow. And pastor Harry, even tough his ebola prophecy didn't come to pass, this time he is into the bible code and has this to say:

http://www.satansrapture.com/8808.htm

Exerpt from the link below:

A Peking University sociologist, Xie Xueluan, told the newspaper: "Chinese see major calamities as divine intervention … The absence of religion reinforces this trend."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/mascots-blamed-for-china-earthquake/2008/05/16/1210765174174.html

Indeed interesting times.

Keep watching and stay blessed.

Annon

faithful forever said...

Annon,

Found this, and still no reason for not attending the opening ceremony even though he is now going to China:

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Musharraf_s_Olympic_visit_back_on_o_08062008.html

Musharraf is also accusing the US of terrorist attacks in Pakistan, but I cannot find an article right now, but trouble is brewing in paradise apparently.

The earthquake happened 88 days before the Olympics and it registered 8 (7.9) on the Richter and many Chinese believe this to be a very bad omen, even though one of the articles says that the 8th was chosen for the Olympics 'for its auspicious abundance of China's lucky number.'

I can't get into that Bible code stuff too much, but even the demons have some knowledge I imagine.

Love you Annon; was missing you also. The place just wouldn't be the same without you.

Prayers and blessings to all.

faithful forever said...

The US is in defiance of world court; what's new:

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Texas_executes_Mexican_man_in_defia_08062008.html

faithful forever said...

Better late than never, I guess:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/2495343/Knights-Templar-heirs-in-legal-battle-with-the-Pope.html

Ali said...

Mofaz: Iran is the root of all evil, threat to world peace

The guy himself is "originally" Iranian. LOL !

Keep the faith,
Ali.

faithful forever said...

It just keeps getting stranger and stranger, doesn't it, Ali?

Who is he exactly?

Love and blessings brother.

Sandra said...

FF,
Thank the Lord you and your family are safe. I heard about the storm and I had a feeling you were without power because of it because you were silent. Good to see you are writing again. You add so much faith and hope here.

I am not into Bible codes but I do find it interesting that 888 which stands for Jesus's name is also used by the occult. Even in gambling 888 is a lucky number. I personally don't believe in gambling because it puts all hope in winning money and we are to put our hope in God for all our needs. For those to win there have to be a lot that lose and I don't like that. Even states are into gambling with their lottery.

Ali,
I did not know Jesus was mentioned in your Holy Quran. Thank you for the passages. As is the case FF reached out to you first in love and acceptance on the other site. You and FF have a special bond of friendship and it shows through both of your writings. Keep bringing us your light.

Annon,
Thanks for the links. You keep us so informed in areas that I don't have the time to search for on my own..It helps us all.

Love to all

faithful forever said...

Sandra,

You take my breath away with your love and sincerity.

What a gift from God and thank you for all the blessings you bring each and every day.

Power is still not restored to all places in my area and I cannot help but feel people are being tested by it. There is nothing like the disruption of life to gain a new perspective.

All I could think about when I was inconvenienced by no power was what we have put the Iraqi people through. Their temperatures are hotter than ours and many days at the start of the occupation, they had no power for air conditioning and lights. They slept on their roofs for relief. We are so spoiled and so soft that we would not want to survive what they have gone through and continue to go through.

That glass of wine is a cherished and sustaining thought that will suffice until we meet at the Feast of our Lord. I will know you, Sandra. I know I will know you. And wow, what an amazing blessing.

Love and prayers to all.

Sandra said...

FF,
Thank you for your kind words. I know I have grown since being here with all of you. I was shy most of my life and did not speak out but I am beginning to find my voice to speak. I know that I will recongnize you also at the Feast. I can hardly wait for this old world to pass and we are with the Lord. It will be a world without all the hate and selfish pursuit but a community that loves unconditionally with no hate, envy etc that is part of this world.

Here is a link from a group in Canada that believes that we need to physically not spiritually come out of Babylon. I disagree with them on that issue but they do write some good articles. As with anything we give links to we need to discern truth from falsehood.

http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000279.htm

Love to all

faithful forever said...

God is raising you up, Sandra and it is a joy watching your Spirit soar. Maybe you have been shy most of your life for this very reason. Me too, believe it or not...the shy part. The Lord and my 40's have helped me overcome.

It sounds like our power company that is having a very hard time getting things back on line this time for some reason, has surged the little town I live in and many appliances, like computers, have the possibility of being fried. My kids and a neighbor have called and said that there are cops and firemen going door to door because they are afraid of fires starting in the walls and telling people what to watch for.

Yeah, just a little test and if they are done for at home, I will be more limited, but always here in spirit. Always.

Sandra, you echo my thoughts, words and most likely even deeds, and I too cannot wait for an end to this system of things. Come whatever may, bring on whatever it takes because it gets us closer to the great and awful day of our Lord.

Keep shining and finding that voice that I love so dearly; all for His glory.

Ali said...

Dear my sister Sandra,

As I have searched Quran via a software that I have here, I found that "Jesus" & "Maryam"(Holy Mary) have been appeared for 31 and 35 times in different chapters of Quran respectively.

" ..Behold! the angels said: O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations. O Mary! worship Thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down...Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God; He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous. She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). God createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
-Holy Quran(3:43~47)

As we have discussed with my beloved sister FF before, submission to the will of God is the most important thing and the word "Islam" in Arabic means submission to the will of God and here is how God has made the long story short:

" Say: We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and what was given to Musa and Isa and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit. " (3:84)


Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ali said...

FF,

I don't know much about this Mofaz except that he was born in Iran and after 9 years he migrated to Israel, but definitely you can find a lot of information online.

I was wondering if you watched of those Holographic projections from youtube that I posted their links earlier here here. To me it looked amazing.

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ali said...

Here it goes again:

2 US aircraft carriers headed for Gulf

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218104233164&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

keep the faith,
Ali.

Sandra said...

Ali,
Thank you so much for furthering my understanding of Islam and your Holy Quran. Submitting to the will of God is what all true believers must do. "Not my will but yours Lord." That is just wonderful that our Lord is mentioned so many times in your Holy Scriptures. Also I did go to the links you gave on the holographic. It was amazing.

FF,
Hope everything is OK on the home front with your elecricity. Did your computer make it OK? There was one time a logger was falling a tree in my area and hit a substation. The surge was so great it blew out (burst)the light bulbs and ruined our microwave, T.V., answering machine etc. Our insurance paid a portion but not all. Let us know that everything is OK.

Love to all

faithful forever said...

Hi Ali,

I found this in an article off the most recent one you just posted:

The main advocate of that antagonism and urgency, according to Kaminer, is Transportation Minister Shaul Mofaz, who has spoken publicly of the possibility of an attack on Iran several times.

He is only the Minister of Transportation in Israel - go figure. And you say that he was originally Iranian...but now clearly he is of the Synagogue of Satan - those who say they are Jewish but lie.

I have not had a chance to check out the hologram sites you posted, Ali, and I apologize, but I am going to do that right now while the boss is away (my bad). We still do not have power at my house and will not know how many electronic appliances were fried when our electric company 'surged' 150 volts yesterday attempting to restore power. Today or tomorrow we should be fully restored. They said 650,000 people lost power in that storm and the damage was some of the most intense they had ever experienced. So once again, patience is a virtue with God granting the serenity to accept that which you cannot change.

Thanks for the article Ali, but mostly for just being who you are. I love our culture of faith and I am deeply honored to be your beloved sister and I certainly hope you know that you are my much beloved brother. God's love knows no boundaries and it is an amazing experience that I could stay in and relish every moment if only this life permitted it. While we are accutely aware that this one does not, the next one most certainly will.

Love to all.

faithful forever said...

Sandra,

Once again you are right there with me and how can I ever let you know in mere words with the limits of this electronic device how much you mean to me.

I won't know until the power is fully restored how much damage has been done and I have heard that while they are acknowledging the surge of voltage, they are already claiming immunity saying it 'was an act of God.' God had nothing to do with their surge of voltage.

Going to check out Ali's site.

Sandra, thank you for being there and being just who God made you to be. You know I have come to rely on you just as you do me and this is such a blessing and I am so thankful to our Creator for bringing us together.

Thankful to the Lord for bringing us all together. It has become even more apparent to me over the last couple of days how much I rely on His people here for truth, support and insight and I know I much prefer to have it in my life on a regular basis than be without it for even a short period of time. I know the time may come when we are individually standing and glorifying Him and when that time comes I believe we have been prepared, but until then, I know how much I need and love His people that gather here. There is nothing like life interrupted to give a new perspective.

Love you all.

young brother said...

Ben there, Welcome.

I hope very much that in 500 years, people will no longer be talking about "the end" as an event in the future. We are at the breaking point right now. Just yesterday, I read an amazing article that sums up our recent past and the consequences of an Iranian invasion on TruthDig...it's called A War of Self Destruction, and I hope to have a blog post about it up soon. I think that this Iranian war possibility is what separates us from anti-communist Christians in the 80s, and rapture ready churches from the 1800s and beyond. Remember, Christ warned us that many would say "The end is near" before it really begins...we have gone through that. But right now we are experiencing major famines and earthquakes all over the world, which are the last two signs before the next level of persecution and gospel sharing begins (Matt 24:8-9)

Also, just recently, the creator/publisher of informationclearinghouse.info was threatened by armed thugs. Please post this article in your email groups, and do whatever you can to get the facts of this threat out to the public.

May God be with us, as we continue on in this strange world.

PursuingTruth said...

Ali,
What Holograham site are you talking about?

faithful forever said...

No.1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QXG0iwlWuw

No.2:
http://realfiction.com/Showreels/DDC_NNM.wmv

More : http://www.realfiction.com/

No3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyticDvo0bo

Ali said...

Pursuingtruth,

I was talking about the same links that FF have just posted before this thread. It is something in continuation of Blue Beam Project. Worthy to check'em out. :)


FF,

I hope things on the home with your electricity and stuff become normal ASAP. FF, I don't deserve none of your compliments my sister, Thank you. As you truly mentioned "God's love knows no boundaries". I genuinely appreciate for all your kindness and the light you are shedding here.


I am 100% pro-YoungBrother when he says "We are at the breaking point right now". Once again I recalled this prophecy that says "when both sides of the Shaam (Damascus) was in constant sedition and riot (Iraq & Israel), never doubt your God's plan and bow him and always be pray with him" .


Sandra,

please notice how beautiful this analogy of Quran fits with the dignity of Jesus Christ:

"...Lo! the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputers..."
-Holy Quran 3:61

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ali said...

Breaking News from Reuters:

" President Saakashvili says Georgia has downed two Russian warplanes over Georgian territory; 150 Russian tanks, armored vehicles entered South Ossetia"

It could all start here.

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ali said...

Some background information I have earned about this developing story in South Ossetia:

"...And the honest debate necessarily involves geopolitics. South Ossetia is a buffer for Russia against the Western-leaning Georgia, while Georgia is a buffer for the US against Russia...and of course, there is energy to consider. The Caspian Basin is a place of intense competition, with the US, Russia and China all vying for a stronger foothold. In July, the US$4 billion Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline was inaugurated. The BTC pumps Caspian Sea oil to the Turkish Mediterranean, bypassing Russia and Iran. It should supply 1 million barrels of oil per day by 2009. It passes through the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, and also runs rather close to South Ossetia.

BP, formerly British Petroleum, has a 30.1 percent stake in the pipeline. The pipeline was commissioned by a BP-led consortium that includes energy companies from the US, Norway, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Japan, France and Italy. The BTC is a key to Western energy security. Upsetting Georgia - a major player in this energy security - by allowing South Ossetia to declare independence and be internationally recognized would be risky..."

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Ali said...

" Hundreds of civilians have been killed in Tskhinvali - Kokoity " !!

http://www.interfax.com/3/417503/news.aspx

Keep the faith,
Ali.

faithful forever said...

Yes, those were the sights with the holograms that Ali had previously posted. Please accept my apologies Ali for not mentioning that. It is amazing technology. The Reebok advertisement that had the athlete come out on stage could not be distinguished in any way from the real person at all. Many, many possibilities for this use...stay tuned; I am sure it will be used to deceive the masses.

I agree Ali, this thing called love and being connected in Christ is an amazing experience and is making this journey into the tribulation tolerable. All thanks and praise to our Lord and Savior. I very much appreciate all you do here with your love and light as well and thank you for your kind words my dear brother. You are in my prayers and may God bless you in many ways today and everyday.

I have been watching this Russia/Georgia/Ossetia situation that is escalating quickly, and my thoughts are that anything can happen anywhere any day now. The world is smoldering and it is not going to take much to ignite in so many places; just as our Savior told us. This is why we find comfort because all His words are true.

Thanks for all the prayers and concerns; they have all meant so much and touched my heart. I am so blessed by His people who gather here and I love you all. I miss you at night and can't wait to get to work to get caught up. We have lost 3 computers, 2 tv's and one cordless phone.

Today is 888 and whether something happens or not, rejoice and bring glory to the One whom we love and follow, the One who graces us with love and wisdom, the One who is our everything.

Love and prayers.

faithful forever said...

Ali,

Prayers for those people. If they are reporting hundreds, you have to wonder how many it really is, but one is too many. This is escalating quickly.

Thanks for your diligence in watching, Ali. It saddens my heart for all the turmoil in the world and all the innocent people who are caught in the middle.

faithful forever said...

While it is good to see light beginning to shine on all the darkness that we have been living with, it still provides no relief and I suspect that will come only when our Lord destroys all darkness:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Memo_shows_White_House_knew_of_0807.html

faithful forever said...

Georgia wants the US to help. All the leaders are at 'the games.' How ironic that Georgia fought for its independence and now won't let South Ossetia have theirs:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Georgia_warns_of_war_if_Russia_0808.html

faithful forever said...

This must surely be the reason the US has stationed NATO troops on the Russian border:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Massive_bloodshed_feared_as_Georgia_surrounds_0807.html

This is all be design.

faithful forever said...

* by design

faithful forever said...

Opening ceremonies:

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Beijing_s_Games_kick_off_with_spect_08082008.html

Excerpt:

In a country where eight is a lucky number, the ceremony burst into life at eight minutes past eight on the eighth day of the eighth month.

Ali said...

While McCain has urged Russia to halt action in Georgia, UN Security Council has failed to draft statement on Ossetia fighting. Meantime Russia destroyed several warplanes at Georgian air base - Tbilisi.

This is officially War! though it has got little exposure since the beginning. It started so fast but it was well-planned. Even the timing as FF mentioned was keenly calculated: at the time of "the games".

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Sandra said...

FF,
You are in good spirits after losing those material possessions. That shows where your heart is at and the main concern you have is not being able to communicate with the group here. Your love and concern for others just radiates through the words you speak. I am so happy you and your family are fine. Material possessions can be replaced but not people.

Ali,
Thanks for the scripture in the Holy Quran. It just goes to show that all people of love and goodwill are gathered here for a purpose. That purpose is to encourage and support each other.

Pursuing Truth,
I went to your website that you posted on Stephen's blog dealing with Dan's accusations on homosexuals. I did not know that the word was changed in later translations to homosexual from the King James translation of effeminate in Paul's writings. I looked up that word and it means a man who uses characteristics of a woman and dresses as a woman. (drag queen comes to mind) I have to admit I have always been offended with men dressing as women because to me it is mocking women. I do believe it has changed the meaning in later translations from what it was originally. Could you let me know if I am in errror or got it right.

Woke up this morning to the escalating tension between Russia and Georgia. I knew something would happen today on 8/8/08 but did not know it would be with Russia.

Love to all

youngbrother said...

I think that the invasion of Georgia is that "Something" that certain members of this group have suspected "would happen". I'm glad that you all are already aware of what's going on over there. I just checked infowars.com and the last article they have about it is from Wednesday. A lot is going to happen in a very short period of time. Praise the Lord that we are awake and "sober" enough to be paying attention.

faithful forever said...

Sandra,

You are an angel that gives me joy that I cannot describe, but I can tell you that I get those goosebumps when I read your words and this is how I know it is a gift from God; you are a gift from God. I am so amazed and this is only a foretaste. I am so hungry for the feast.

I agree, Ali, this is war and most likely will escalate rather than be calmed, but time will tell.

Anything can happen now, and as our young brother said, it may start to happen in a very short period of time. Amen, yb, all praise to God for all the gifts He has given us and may we continue desiring the spiritual riches and we will be blessed beyond our heart's desires; life more abundant and this is without a doubt evidenced by the love and joy manifested by His sons and daughters here. I am so amazed. So thankful, so grateful, so unworthy but so happy.

I rejoice in our Father's love that is shown in each of you; what a tremendous blessing.

Come what may, He will raise us up. I am as sure of this as I am of the love that abounds here.

Come quickly Lord Jesus. Rejoice in all things, even tribulation.

Love, prayers, blessings to all, and then more love, prayers and blessings.

faithful forever said...

This is pretty proof positive that Georgia doesn't think it is going to die down:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Georgia_calls_back_troops_from_Iraq_0808.html

faithful forever said...

Stay blessed, and I will miss you all so much. Until Monday....

LOVE YOU ALL SO MUCH.

Balor said...

http://freepages.music.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~edgmon/marching.mid

Sorry. Wrong Georgia! Russian tanks at the outskirts of Atlanta, anybody?

Ali said...

It seems to me that this could describe the rationale behind this war and the fact that it might even go beyond.

Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html

Keep the faith,
Ali

Ali said...

Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358

Keep the faith,
Ali

faithful forever said...

Great articles, Ali. It is always a wonderous thing watching the Body of Christ work here in our little community.

I didn't get a chance to catch the news and wonder if this is being reported in the MSM, or if ~they~ are taking full advantage while most people are watching the games. All by design; everything is happening for a reason and the whole world their stage - temporarily.

Thanks for your hard work and dedication, Ali...looks like it has begun.

It is good to be back sooner than I thought. You guys didn't think you could get rid of me that easily, did you? My husband was able to get this only one of the three computers up and running again. It is the oldest of the three and was built by a local man years ago while the two newer ones were made by big name manufacturers...go figure.

DemocracyNow! reported tonight that China has installed 300,000 surveillance cameras compliments of the West and I cannot help but think the Olympics are only a pretense for their real purpose - crowd control.

DN also reported that a lawsuit against the US gov't by Native Americans has awarded 400 million in restitution for traspassing on Indian land for drilling purposes. The suit actually claims $44 billion in damages, but $400 million would be a good start. I hope ~they~ are made to pay. They have trampled everything and everybody for their insatiable greed since the very beginning, if not even before.

Keepin' the faith and praising our Savior who reigns. Love and prayers to all.

Ali said...

On one hand we have " Georgia claims to have downed 10 Russian combat planes "

http://www.interfax.com/3/417657/news.aspx

and on the other hand we have "Death toll in Tskhinvali reaches 1,600 - S. Ossetian authorities" (same source)

Whats wrong with this world!!

FF,

Great to have you back again. As you stated, hardly you can find about these in MSM. I read in china they are using a sophisticated technology that has been derived from Aerospace engineering for their Olympic "control room". Thank you for the info.

Keep the faith,
Ali.

Anonymous said...

Folks, take a look at these links.

http://matthewdelooze.co.uk/readarticle.php?article_id=42

http://www.matthew-delooze.blogspot.com/

Stay blessed and keep seeking the TRUTH.

Anonymous said...

It is just a sick and corrupt world and I can only thank God Who is able to save us from this evil.

Stay blessed

Annon

PursuingTruth said...

Sandra, The word in the Greek that is translated effeminate, means "Soft, Pampered, Self-indulgent. Just as you said a "Drag Queen " comes to mind, to the people in King James day, the word effeminate brought to mind the Kings of France and their court. Those that were pampered and spoiled and self-indulgent without concern for the people.

faithful forever said...

While MSM has John Edwards' confession of an affair, the ticker tape is reporting on the Russian/Georgian/Ossetia war and stated 'that the fighting is expected to ignite an escalation of a wider war that is threatening peace in the entire region.' Of course Bush is calling for Russia to quit because he backs the Georgians who started it. Now the MSM is talking about the US getting involved. Surprise, surprise.

Sounds like they might be using that 'control room' for another mind control killing of an American at the games, who then killed himself - just like they always do.

Annon and Ali, thanks for the links; going to check them out now. Amen Annon, praise God who is able to save us from this evil.

Love to all.

Sandra said...

Pursuing Truth,
Thank you for your insight into the true meaning of the word and where others have misused scripture for their own political ends. It helps me understand more the truth in the Holy Bible. I have to admit sometimes ~they~ confuse me and make me doubt my own beliefs but God brings forth his believers to clear my mind of their self-righteous beliefs.

FF,
They can not keep a good woman down. Glad to see you got one computer going and thank your husband for me. When one link is gone in this small community we all feel it.

We had the turmoil heating up between Russia/ Georgia yesterday and all the news on TV was about John Edwards and his affair. I really liked the "public image" of John Edwards but we are fools if we put them on a pedestal. There is so much "cult personality" in society and they worship an image of a man/woman. That image will come crashing down because it is just a public image not the real person. They put on a face of respectability for the public but behind closed doors their true self comes out. God is showing us that which is hidden will be revealed. Don't put your faith in a man/woman because you will be let down but instead but your faith in God. Our Father will never let us down because his truth is forever and does not change.

Love to all in his Holy name

Sandra said...

It is escalating:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008087858_apgeorgiasouthossetia.html


Love to all

faithful forever said...

Annon, We are surrounded by monumental evil even when we are not aware of it. Thanks again for those articles. Wow, no wonder we are in the state we are in. I understand why I have never enjoyed or watched the olympic games now. God, my protector was looking out for me when I didn't even know it. I proclaim my love and devotion to Him now and forevermore.

An official declaration of war has just been issued in the Russian/Georgian War which the news reported will now enact and enforce a 15 day martial law.

Stay blessed and keep the faith.

Love and prayers always.

faithful forever said...

Sandra, my sister who I love so dearly, thank you for all your love, support and encouragement. We are indeed in this together and may He continue to bless all our testimonies. Everything is being revealed; the light is overtaking the darkness and watching the darkness become overshadowed by the light is a glorious thing to behold.

I am most thankful for having those who gather here to share it with for each one is a gift. The Body of Christ is a blessed place to be graced with and all thanks and praise to our Lord for finding us acceptable in some small way to be included in this wonderous body.

The joy brings tears and leaves me speechless and humble and so filled with love that there are no words to describe it. He has saved a wretch like me.

Sandra said...

FF,
Your light shines through so much during these trying times. It is only with our faith in the Lord that we are able to handle all the news coming forth. May his love and truth always be our guide. Your witness and faith is so beautiful to behold. I treasure you and I am inspired by your love and devotion to the Lord.

All on here are such a blessing and it helps so much to be with true believers who know the times we are living. During all the turmoil in the world we can rest assured in the Lord's promise. I always wondered why I was an outsider in this world and now I know. I was never to conform to this world and was lead to this small community of believers where we can encourage and give guidance to each other. What a joy it is to be living in this time with followers of Christ. Let his light shine forth in each of us so others will see who we follow.


Yours in Christ.

faithful forever said...

Hundreds of Russian troops invading Georgia by 'land, sea and air.' Georgia is asking for help (from the US) and I wonder how long the US will keep Georgia hanging...not very long I am guessing. It is escalating extremely fast.

Has anyone else noticed that when ~their~ agenda is furthered another step that there is also an MK Ultra incident and a missing child, and quite possibly a new sex scandal to keep the masses preoccupied. Heavy sigh. The few people that I have spoken with about this new war were nonchalant.

Sandra, I know just how you feel because I feel the same way, in a very big way and the best is yet to come. Our Lord is spiritually returning before His glorious appearance. Like you said Sandra, we can still rejoice in the faithfulness of the Lord amidst the ensuing chaos and how blessed are we, and rejoice for 'we' are mentioned in the Bible...'your sons and daughters will begin to prophesize.' I point this out not so we can puff ourselves up but to glorify the One who is leading us step by step and will never abandon us.

It is a choice whom you choose to follow and there are only two sides to choose from. Like accepting the whole Bible or disputing it; either you are with Him or you are against Him. It is the ones who are undecided that we pray and hope for.

Being outside of the world really makes us insiders; it is the rest of the world that are truly the outsiders - they just don't know it.

Thank you for your blessings Sandra and for being such a blessing. Your words are beautiful and echo my thoughts once again. One voice harmony is so edifying as it is the truth according to His precious Holy Word. Holy kisses my sister in Christ and it is an honor to be so connected to you. We are already drinking wine the Lord has given us. I love you.

My love to all in these prophetic days that we are bearing witness to and His peace be upon us all.

Balor said...

North Ossetia and South Ossetia. The north a part of Russia and the south wanting reunification with the north,
who can blame Russia for siding with the break-away province of South Ossetia?

On the other hand, who can deny sovereignty to the people of Georgia?

I can't speak for those in conflict. I invite those here who can.

faithful forever said...

Balor,

I cannot speak for those in conflict. I believe it is another resource war because the US does not want Russia to have control over the vast resources of the Caspian Sea. All in the pursuit of world domination.

I have not heard how many have been displaced, but the last report was a death toll of 1,500 with increases expected in the 'thousands.' In a matter of days, and just like that. This is how it will happen here also.

Be prepared for the worst and keep praying for the best. My prayers go out to all who are suffering the horrors of war and oppression everywhere.

Love to all.

faithful forever said...

I thought this was informative:

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/09-08-2008/106046-russia_georgia-0

Ali said...

Thank you all for the links.

" Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov warned Georgia’s arms suppliers they will be held accountable for the South Ossetia situation.sources say this is directed at the United States and Israel. "

It could be the most dangerous flash point as it is escalates:

Russia bombs Tbilisi airport, says official

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL768040420080810

Which means Georgians have the right to hit back Moscow.

Anybody knows how many Serbs live in South Ossetia?

Keep the faith,
Ali.

faithful forever said...

Psalm 31:23-24 (KJV)

23 O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer. 24 Be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD.

Loved to all my people, and Ali, I have no idea how many Serbs live in South Ossetia, but I am guessing millions. My husband's nationality is Serbian. I pray for them all.

Keep the faith and be of good courage.

faithful forever said...

Ali,

I just seen a news report that stated 70,000 people live in S. Ossetia...now we know!

They also reported that the US is bringing the 2,000 Georgian troops out of Iraq to assist with the conflict, but the airport is wiped out so they are not sure where they are going to fly them into.

And of course, all the while, the Edwards affair dominates the news.

Love to all.

Sandra said...

FF,
We are on the same page. I was drawn to this scripture of hope just as you were drawn to the Psalms scripture. Love you my sister in Christ.

Romans 8:16 - 8:21

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

Love to all and keep the faith

Sandra said...

Little background on the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian-Ossetian_conflict


Love and Blessings to all

faithful forever said...

Sandra, I have those goosebumps again...on the same page, of one heart and one mind, in sync, parallel, identical in nature...an unspeakable joy. This is our Lord. Imagine, as much as we all love each other, He loves us even more than this. How can we not be of good courage.

I want you to know that the verse you posted from Romans was the reason I was rejoicing all day yesterday...no kidding. I am so amazed at the edification and strengthening of my spirit with joy in my heart while in the midst of the news of new bloodshed and wanted to write about it but couldn't find the words without minimizing the concern of the new war, and there it is in the precious words of our Savior by way of an angel named Sandra. Thanks again for the happy tears...love you more my beautiful sister in Christ.

....."I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us."

Amen. We are set free again by His grace and glory. All praise to Jesus.

Bad storms out East; sisters and brothers out East you have our prayers.

The news just reporting there is extended bombing by Russia in Georgia. A Faux News pundit (the only station here that has news about this conflict, the MSM is mostly quiet of course and ~they~ are spinning and twisting it to their benefit at Fox ), but the reporter must have been confused because he was supporting Russia 'squashing Goergia they way they did the Chechnyans (sp?)' which was technically saying he supported Russia squashing the US because Georgia is USrael supported. But only a given...the whole world is confused.

Love, prayers and blessings to all.

Sandra said...

FF,
I just woke up this morning and said "Lord help me find something to encourage my on-line friends in this community" and opened the bible to Romans 8:16. The Lord does guide us in all things when we are open to his will. When I got on line and saw your scripture from Psalms I thought we really are on the same track. God is so great and is encouraging us all through our fellowship here.

Stay blessed my dear friend FF.

Love to all

Ali said...

Sandra, FF

Thank you for bringing joy to our hearts.

If anyone here is interested in following the story minute by minute I suggest to check "Interfax.com" though it is one side of the story. Its better than MSM.

Keep the faith,
Ali.

faithful forever said...

Ali,

Thanks for the link. You have also been an answer as I have lost most of my regular favorited sites when we lost the computers, but now I have one to get up to date with on the new war. That still sounds so wrong - the new war. Anything is better than MSM; thanks again, Ali.

Cheney wants revenge for Russia's aggression - go figure.

Keepin' the faith.
Love to all.

PursuingTruth said...

Excelent article
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/2008/May2008.html

Sandra said...

Finally CNN is taking an interest in the conflict. More news today but that is because it is getting worse.

Georgians are not happy with the U.S.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008104848_scene11.html


God Bless

faithful forever said...

...look what we got the Georgians to do and then left them hanging; it is clear they were anticipating assistance. What is not so clear, is why ~they~ haven't jumped in yet.

Did anyone see Bush being interviewed by an Olympic commentator, and Bush was saying that he couldn't believe that war was breaking while he was over in China talking about peace. Yeah, what is so hard to believe about that? As though he couldn't have had anything to do with it.

The Georginas that were interviewed in that article were from the second front that has broken out. Nobody would have even talked about it today if I wouldn't have mentioned it. One person had no idea what it was about but was disgusted to learn that the US and Israel had trained the Georgians. Another person wants us to kick Russia's a** because of their aggression towards that 'growing democracy' in Georgia. Everywhere we bring democracy to, blood is spilled.

That was a great article from Last Trump Ministries, pursuingtruth, and I hope everyone gets a chance to look at it. Whoever else is left here besides the regulars and even that is shrinking. I pray that there is not a growing cold of sorts happening while we wait on the Lord.

Keep that oil burning.
Love to all.

Anonymous said...

And obviously it looks like Musharaf is being dumped by US.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C%2C24166546-2703%2C00.html?from=public_rss

And Russian General threatening with nukes.
http://www.mnweekly.ru/news/20080124/55305669.html

Navy relieves commander of air recon squadron.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92H4NP80&show_article=1

Marshall Law in the making?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZivgferVFs&eurl=

Things are moving fast.

Stay blessed ya all.

Annon